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ok i got my ferts today so far i know i need to dose after each waterchange its a 75 gallon discus tank heavily planted high C02. Any help appreciated! Ohh and im dosing dry directly into the tank.

KNO3 = 1/2 tsp
Kh2PO4= 1/8 tsp
Plantex= ????
K2so4 = 1 tsp


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I dose my 55g macros 3x a week and micros 3x also on the off days.
But I do not have discus so I'm not sure if dosing is any different.


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That's about right. I replace GH booster(40% K2SO4 anyway) with K2SO4.
I'd add about 1 tsp after water change only.
Traces: 15mls 3x a week.

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ok seems straight enough now does the plantex have to be dosed through a water soloution can i dry dose with it ? Also i have to dose plantex more than once a week ? and is it nessesary to dose any of the other fertilizers more than once a week? Im saying once a week as in if i was to do water changes once a week. But if i do more than one water change in the week i need to dose again correct ?


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according to this i can dose CSM+B 1/8 tsp 3 times a week yes ?

OK so i want to make sure ive got everything down pact before i dose this stuff so i dont screw up and accidentally dose a pound of KNO3

KNO3 = 1/2 tsp
Kh2PO4= 1/8 tsp
Plantex= 1/8 tsp (3 times a week )
K2so4 = 1 tsp

every thing else other than the CSM+B gets dosed after each water change correct ?


Thanks for all the help it's greatly appreciated


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10- 20 Gallon Aquariums
+/- 1/8 tsp KNO3 (N) 3x a week
+/- 1/32 tsp KH2PO4 (P) 3x a week
+/- 1/32 tsp K2SO4 (K) 3x a week
+/- 1/32 tsp (2ml) Trace Elements 3x a week
50% weekly water change


20-40 Gallon Aquariums
+/- tsp KN03 3x a week
+/- 1/16 tsp KH2P04 3x a week
+/- 1/16 tsp K2S04 3x a week
+/- 1/16 tsp (5ml) Trace Elements 3x a week
50% weekly water change


40-60 Gallon Aquariums
+/- 1/2 tsp KN03 3x a week
+/- 1/8 tsp KH2P04 3x a week
+/- 1/8 tsp K2S04 3x a week
+/- 1/8 (10ml) Trace Elements 3x a week
50% weekly water change


60 80 Gallon Aquariums
+/- 3/4 tsp KN03 3x a week
+/- 3/16 tsp KH2P04 3x a week
+/- 1/4 tsp K2S04 3x a week
+/- tsp (15ml) Trace 3x a week
50% weekly water change


100 - 125 Gallon Aquarium
+/- 1 1/2 tsp KN03 3x a week
+/- tsp KH2P04 3x a week
+/- tsp K2S04 3x a week
+/- tsp (30ml) Trace 3x a week
50% weekly water change

Direct dry dosing into the tank is perfectly fine. Many dose straight into, or they dissolve each daily amounts in water before adding.
Plantex CSM+B is often mixed into solution for liquid dosing. 1 tablespoon to 250ml water is equivalent to: 20 ml = 1/4 teaspoon of dry Plantex.
This solution is stored in refrigerators to prevent mold from forming within the container. HCL can be added to prevent the mold.

That's from an old post by Tom Barr. Actually, by this recipe 1/4tsp dry plantex is the correct amount.
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Ferts part of the Amazon Biotope?

Hello,

I am reading and trying to follow all the info on ferts and
Discus here. Many posts are convincing and varied.
My question. What about these Ferts? And are these
chemicals good for the fish? And can Discus tolerate
an excess in mixing if you do it too much? I mean if
you have nitrate this, and potassium that, oh and
magnesium this, and plantex for sure. I mean these
are all chemicals. Do these chemicals exist in the
wild? Are they a part of the Amazonian Biotope.
How are Discus effected?
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Hello,

I am reading and trying to follow all the info on ferts and
Discus here. Many posts are convincing and varied.
My question. What about these Ferts? And are these
chemicals good for the fish? And can Discus tolerate
an excess in mixing if you do it too much? I mean if
you have nitrate this, and potassium that, oh and
magnesium this, and plantex for sure. I mean these
are all chemicals. Do these chemicals exist in the
wild? Are they a part of the Amazonian Biotope.
How are Discus effected?
These are good questions.
I have had these fish and used these ferts for about 14 years now.
So have many others that have discus, I keep mostly soft water fish.
These chemicals are fertilizer salts.
The plants use these forms readily.
Discus produce something far more toxic and they make a fair amount of it depending on your feeding routine/foods offered etc: NH4.

That's more a worry than adding KNO3 etc, as it's NO3, a far less toxic form of Nitrogen.

I've detailed plenty of references, as well as have kept this species as well as many others, at the normal EI suggestions for 10+ years.
They bred, they grow, they eat well etc.

Simply because a chemical is or is not present at some concentration in the wild does not in any way imply that it is "best", it's just where those fish or plants can grow and evolve given the past history of that species.

We can grow most any weed or tropical species in our tanks and breed them in far higher numbers than they'd ever get in the wild.
Address disease, feed them to the gills, coddle the fry, place them in predator and other species free environment, many things can be done to amplify their health and growth in our tanks.

Are these bad because they do not exist in nature?
Nope.

If there is no risk, then it's not something to worry about.
But, you have to show what risk is present through testing.
Our system is artificial anyway so we should test that, not natural systems to answer these questions about fish keeping.

You just do not assume because there is 10 ppm, that must be bad, because it's not found that high in nature.

Then see the results and realize that there are "chemicals" in every tank to some degree and we eat chemicals every day.
Does not mean they are bad for us.

Many in the right amounts are fine and beneficical.
The same is true here.

The dose makes a poison.
Fish waste is "poison" in high amounts yet folks seem less concerned about that than adding ferts that drives plant growth which directly removes NH4 and gives off O2 curiously..........

Some things to ponder.

As far as what is in the biotope, these things, actually very few people can or are willing to provide such conditions are not present as these concentrations.

Many folks use 1-3Kh or higher tap, many folks do not keep the pH at 5, they sell artificial chemicals to adjust the buffering system down, many feed very non natural foods and live critters that do not exist there. There's a huge list one could make about how the tanks we keep are non natural, hardly in any respect. Many do not include planted tanks at all.
Why the red flag here when you can see folks have tested it and kept these fish for over a decade.

Here's a pic of one such tank:





the proof , is in the pudding.

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Wow, Tom ... one of the only tanks I've seen where normally tall stem plants are in the foreground. Is that tank four feet deep or what?
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You will find that your discus will produce enough waste to raise your nitrates higher than you need them to be. You will not need to dose any potassium nitrate. You may need to increase your water change frequency to keep nitrates down to an acceptable level. This is from my experience of keeping a planted discus tank for the past 1-1/2 years, before that it was a planted angel tank. I have EI dosed the tank for the past several years, I find that with discus following the EI dosing routine leads to algae outbreaks, this is after good success using EI dosing when the tank was a non-discus tank.
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That's a lot of pudding!

Hello,

And Thank You Tom Barr. Beautiful plants and
Discus. I came home from work to see if anyone
was interested in my question. And Wola!
The man himself!
I have visited your site and have read many of
your posts. What a Science! Are those pics from
your 16000 gal. aqaurium?
I have had Discus for about three years, and
have had a planted tank, low to high light, with Co2
for about 2 years. I am looking forward to
working with ferts, but fairly new at it. I know
I should have started earlier. Other trials got
in the way.
To test and try is better than to wilt away.
Swimming in the dark here . . but that's
alright . . . I got moonlights.
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