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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 08-05-2013, 04:03 AM Thread Starter
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Exclamation HELP ASAP my betta!

he died.

my betta appears to be dying and ive only had him for 3.5 months! he has led a stressful life because i hade to move him to various tanks because he was getting picked on, but he has been out of a stressful situation for like 15 days and did fine throughout the whole thing.
I think he has a preexisting swimbladder problem because he just lays on his side on the bottom of the tank, but he has done that pretty much since i got him. and his stomach has always been pretty big too.
now his belly and lower part of his gills are whitish and he can't swim. he is currently laying on his back on the bottom and he was laying on his side earlier.
i saw him come up for air a few hours ago and when he descended he went in a spiraly shape.
i did a 10% wc on friday, the same as usual. i don't have parameters.

please help!
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Tank specs please.
Size:
Filter:
Temp:
Heated?
Params?; ammonia:
Nitrite:
nitrate:
Tank mates:

Edit: just saw you dont have perameters.
Sounds like hes gone dropsy.
What are you feeding and how often?
Do you havr a quarantine tank?

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post #3 of 18 (permalink) Old 08-05-2013, 06:27 AM Thread Starter
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10gal
aqueon filter (just a standard filter, but i only turn it on once a day for a little while because the current is too strong otherwise)
74degrees F
the tank should be done cycling (its been running for like 1 month) and he was in there while it was doing so, but it shouldn't have been a complete cycle because i used rocks from an established tank and a fast growing plant is in there too.
betta is by himself with a plant, it is a temporary setup (in a borrowed tank) while i set up a 5gal which will have him and eventually shrimp.
he has moved around to different parts of the tank (although the last time i actually observed him swim was 4ish hrs ago) and is laying flat on his side now

i just saw him swim (sort of). he stays on his side and flops his head up and down and slides along the bottom. sort of like doing the worm on while laying on his side (the best way to put it i guess?)

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Ok your tank is not cycled. Turning the filter off for extended periods of time will allow it to dry out, killing all your bb. Your bb lives primarily in your filter, very little lives on decorations, rocks or substrate.
Bettas are a tropical fish, 74 is too cool for their comfort. 78-82 f is ideal. If you can get him a small adjusyable heater that will help.
Swim bladder due to bloat can lead to dropsy.
Do you notice his scales pineconing if you look at him from above?

Epsom salt will cure bloat. You may be able to save him.
go to www.bettafish.com and search epsom salt. I think tue measurement is 1tsp per gallon of water, do 100% water changes daily and replace tue epsom salt when you do.
You must do 100% because the salt will build up if you dont.

Make sure is is pure epsom with no additives. Can be found at any pharmacy.
Dissolve it in tank water first or the crystals can burn hi
. Then add it slowly.

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I really suggest getting liquid test for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate.

I do agree that your tank is probably not cycled but it's impossible to know for sure without some readings. That certainly wont help any immune responses from the betta.

When moving tanks, the simplest thing to do is either 1) move the filter as well or 2) at least move some media (or do squeezings). Since you still were using the original tanks, go with #2. That will give the cycle a jump start.
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Reminds me of when one of my bettas got paralyzed and he couldn't move. Only thing he could do was breath, but he is now dead because of it.
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the filter media did stay wet while it was not running, but i guess it doesn't matter now because he died last night before i could get epsom salts
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Was likely too late for epsom salts. If you want to keep bettas, I suggest buying an air pump and using a sponge filter. This will give some filtering capacity, additional oxygenation and also provide a nice stable colony for beneficial bacteria without adding flow that bettas, typically, do not enjoy very much.


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Was likely too late for epsom salts. If you want to keep bettas, I suggest buying an air pump and using a sponge filter. This will give some filtering capacity, additional oxygenation and also provide a nice stable colony for beneficial bacteria without adding flow that bettas, typically, do not enjoy very much.

Oh yeah, bettas are fish after all. This reminds me of my 4 year-old niece betta living in this half a gallon acrylic container. Water change is simply done straight from the tap. Sometimes, they don't even change the water and overfeeding it. Apparently, my sister didn't feel like spending over $30 (bigger tank with a regular filter) for a $4 fish.


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yeah, i realize i messed up . the setup was meant to last for like 1 week, but it got prolonged because i had to find a tank. what's done is done, but i have learned from that mistake
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Was likely too late for epsom salts. If you want to keep bettas, I suggest buying an air pump and using a sponge filter. This will give some filtering capacity, additional oxygenation and also provide a nice stable colony for beneficial bacteria without adding flow that bettas, typically, do not enjoy very much.
This is what I do. A small pump and a sponge filter will cost you like 12 bucks. Sorry your fish has passed, but don't let this stop you from trying again. We all make mistakes.

Also, I wouldn't put shrimp in with a betta. That combo usually doesn't work out too well.
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yeah, i realize i messed up . the setup was meant to last for like 1 week, but it got prolonged because i had to find a tank. what's done is done, but i have learned from that mistake
I wouldn't beat yourself up too much over it. The only thing you can do is learn from it and make sure you don't make the same mistake again. This hobby is all about learning from experiences.
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haha yeah- i just don't have good luck with bettas, this is the 4th one that has died in my care i think i am going to try just shrimp in the 5gal for now. I might add a peaceful fish if i feel like it, but it is only 5 gal so i might just do shrimp
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can i ask what happened to the other 3?
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Shrimp are actually way more demanding than bettas.
Just my two cents, but why not set up a tank with a heater, get your filter running 24/7, get a test kit, and cycle it for a good two months. In the meantime, you can think about what you want to put in there.

Also, having somethings on hand for emergencies is a great idea. Aquarium salt, epsom salt, kanaplex, maracyn, and maracyn 2 are a good starting place. It can take awhile to save up for that stuff, so during the two month period you start putting together your first aid kit.

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