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Razor back musk turtles

Any chance I can get away with placing a juvenile razorback in a 46 gallon Dutch? FYI, max size is 5" and they're carnivores


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sure you can!!

turtles are great.

it will probably destroy every plant in your tank but you can do it.

better to have a dedicated tank if you want your plants to stay

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sure you can!!

turtles are great.

it will probably destroy every plant in your tank but you can do it.

better to have a dedicated tank if you want your plants to stay
Do you know about razorback or are you talking turtles in general?
I'm looking for razorback musk turtle specific answers ONLY


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You can do it, but only for a short time. It'll need a lot more room than that if you plan to house it for life.


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Do you know about razorback or are you talking turtles in general?
I'm looking for razorback musk turtle specific answers ONLY
both. turtles sort of plow thier way through life and will not be gentle with your plants, esp a dutch style with lots of stems neatly trimmed to just the right length.
anubias might be okay. or a more casual tank might be okay

I'm not talking about eating the plants just messing them up. They like to hide. Hide where? Dense foilage. Get down to the substrate and dig!

I make the assumption that juvenile means 2-4 inches.
A baby, up to 2", might be okay.

PLus they still need a place to climb out and bask with unfiltered UV light which means no glass top...

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Maybe the mbuna tank then... As for basking,,, razorback are non-basking turtles that prefer to walk the bottom rather than swim... They can go their whole lives and not leave the water. Every once in a while they're seen climbing above waterline on a plant or rock,, but not too often


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+1 loco tanks. I had a stinkpot turtle wich is a very close relative to the razorback. They are fully aquatic. I use to have one. Also if I'm not mistaken they are a cousin of snapping turtles.

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Their waste output is pretty impressive: EI x 5.

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here is a paper to look at

http ://iucn-tftsg.org/wp-content/uploads/file/Accounts/crm_5_012_carinatus_v1_2008.pdf
here is a webpage coauthored by renowned turtle expert Carl Ernst

http ://wbd.etibioinformatics.nl/bis/turtles.php?selected=beschrijving&menuentry=soorte n&id=229


So, do they NEED a basking area? maybe not, but it seems one SHOULD be provided. And many claim it is required.

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MUsk and snapping turtles are different species and different genus as well.

Cousins? Sure, why not. But then they are also cousins of box turtles, painted turtles, softshells, etc.

and softshells and snappers bask as well

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I believe that all turtles need to be provided a basking area. They need occasional UVA/UVB light for their shell growth. They may not bask often but they will occasionally. I used to keep a musk/stinkpot turtle. Many people say they are fully aquatic but I provided a basking area and I would see him use it weekly.

I created my basking area by building some "walls" out of plastic lexan from Home Depot, about 8" high around the entire tank. They I used some floating cork board at one end of the tank and attached it in place. I filled the tank up to the top so it had as much water as possible, and then the "walls" I built would keep him from escaping and climbing out.
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They do need access to uvb... but they do not need a dry basking area.... "basking turtles" have to be able to dry out 100% to avoid fungal and bacterial issues... this is not the case for "non-basking turtles".. I have a tall rock and tall plants... that is all it would need to get closer to the uvb light, should it desire... It needs uvb,, does not need a dedicated basking area


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They should have a basking area it can be half submerged but the do. They need this in order to get the proper amount of vitamin d3. D3 is important because it allows the turtle to easily obsorb calcium which is essential for the turtles shell. If you choose not to use a basking light you MUST supplement feed your turtle d3 and calcium. The turtle should still a a place to rest half submerged out of water basking light or no light.

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Do you know about razorback or are you talking turtles in general?
I'm looking for razorback musk turtle specific answers ONLY
Not to give you guys too hard of a time,, but this was post #3


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