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Sand/gravel clean the tank?

I know my saltwater tank the live sand helps keep the tank stable. Does the sand/gravel work as a biofilter for the tank?

Trying to decide between bare bottom or sand.
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Remember, bacteria grow on all surfaces inside the tank.


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jw but why would you go bare bottom?

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Im talking about for freshwater. Im building a holding tank so deciding sand or no sand. I want to hold hundreds of nano fish. I figure bare bottom would be easier to clean, but I could benefit from bacteria in substrate.
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Bacteria grows on all surfaces in your tank - marine or freshwater. So substrate will play a role in filtration. But if this is a temporary quarantine tank? You'll want to learn what best practices for a setup like that would be.

If you plan on holding that many fish and have to ask the most basic questions like this, I think you honestly need to take a step back.

Jumping into this situation of quickly housing hundreds of fish that you import is risky and takes more experience, as you have already learned by losing dozens of fish. Surely you don't plan to do this any time soon, as your other threads on the forum suggest it's not a good idea. Hopefully this is just you asking questions for six or seven months down the road. If this isn't the case and you're planning to do this soon? That's's irresponsible and not something most hobbyists will be interested in supporting.

It's not personal, so don't take it that way. So I'm truly hopeful you're just asking for the sake of asking.


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Its a month down the road. I have 1 eheim 2217, 2 ac110, and 4 sponge filters on a 40b just waiting for it to cycle. My buddy who does this for a living is busy so thought I would throw this up here.

It will also be planted with some driftwood. I wanted an answer to my questiom in general for some of my bare bottom tanks as I am contemplating on whether to add substrate and also for my import tank.

In previous thread about bringing in large amounts of fish most tpt members associated it to stress for late shipping. They were spread out over 3 tanks.
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Bacteria grows on all surfaces in your tank - marine or freshwater. So substrate will play a role in filtration. But if this is a temporary quarantine tank? You'll want to learn what best practices for a setup like that would be.

If you plan on holding that many fish and have to ask the most basic questions like this, I think you honestly need to take a step back.

Jumping into this situation of quickly housing hundreds of fish that you import is risky and takes more experience, as you have already learned by losing dozens of fish. Surely you don't plan to do this any time soon, as your other threads on the forum suggest it's not a good idea. Hopefully this is just you asking questions for six or seven months down the road. If this isn't the case and you're planning to do this soon? That's's irresponsible and not something most hobbyists will be interested in supporting.

It's not personal, so don't take it that way. So I'm truly hopeful you're just asking for the sake of asking.
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In that thread you also learned that you can't just dump water the fish are shipped in into your tanks. Shipping stress, water toxicity, health of stock, et al all play a role.

Highly encourage you not to do this in a month. Wait a few months, learn more, get a better feel for what's necessary to house these animals before jumping in feet first as you're doing. The questions you're asking are good to ask, though, they're indicators that you are not ready to do this on such a scale. Because they're essentially the most basic questions that can be asked about the hobby.

Patience is a virtue on this front. Learn more. Start small. Yadda, yadda, yadda.


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In that thread you also learned that you can't just dump water the fish are shipped in into your tanks. Shipping stress, water toxicity, health of stock, et al all play a role.

Highly encourage you not to do this in a month. Wait a few months, learn more, get a better feel for what's necessary to house these animals before jumping in feet first as you're doing. The questions you're asking are good to ask, though, they're indicators that you are not ready to do this on such a scale.

Patience is a virtue on this front. Learn more. Start small. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
Sometimes its about Learning through experience my friend. Ive dumped the same water from the bag into my tanks for years with no problems. I guess one must be a little more concerned coming from overseas. (I will now just leave old water out in all contexts).

Also, I ask questions so I can get this going and do it right. I'm always ready for the challenge. My buddy who does this is mentoring me in most phases, hes however busy this weekend. Don't worry I am getting alot of expert help in how much I can stock, correct filtration, bacteria bottles, medicine (needed especially for large quantities of fish in one tank), etc...

This is going to be so much fun
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Maybe volunteer at an LFS for a month? See how they successfully keep 60 DPs in a 20g with a single sponge filter. But then mine has been in the import business for 30 years.

You are trying to sell a ton of stuff on other forums, but live fish is not hard goods.

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Maybe volunteer at an LFS for a month? See how they successfully keep 60 DPs in a 20g with a single sponge filter. But then mine has been in the import business for 30 years.

You are trying to sell a ton of stuff on other forums, but live fish is not hard goods.

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Yeh I was just at a friends fish store in st. paul. I don't get up there often because its a little far, but they gave me some advice.
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