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Hello everyone. So as everyone who has read my post know I have a 10 gal tank. But due to the lack of space I'm going Nano. So I bought a Finnex 4 Gallon Tank from a Forum member here. (Awesome little thing). It came with a light and the Finnex PF-5 Nano filter (used media and tank) and substrate. However I did not use the STS substrate and washed it and kept it for maybe later use?

What it will house after full cycle (the proper way) 6-8 weeks

1 CRS, 4 Tangerine Tigers, 3 Amano's, 4 adult PFR's 3 oto cats


So here are the following things I have done.

1. Took apart the filter and washed everything with soap (but I washed and rewashed over 11 times after that)

2. Washed the filter media (Sponge, carbon {which I don't think I will use}, and ceramic media) again with soap and rewashed 11 times and then soaked in clean water for 1 hour and did a water change 4 times after.

3. Washed the tank with vinegar and water. After that with soap and then washed it about 6 times. And patted dry.

Questions:

1. I have a AquaClear 70 already cycled and running for about 3 months now. (I plan on using it on the 4 gal and of-course it will be modded to lower the flow dramatically) is this a bad idea for a shrimp tank? (I read the more filtration the better?

If not Would the Eheim 2211 + Finnex PF-5 okay?

Or

Is there another filter for a nano that's really really good?

2. I have Fluval Stratum in the 10 gallon.. and it has a lot of flatworms.. anyway I can rinse and wash the stratum and reuse? Or should I just go with eco-complete?

I will use plants and moss of-course and was thinking of doing DYI CO2 until the cycle is finished completely then add shrimps and otos in there later..

Thank you all for your help.
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I really like that tank. I had mine running for about 2 years. Either of the 2 HOBs you have should work just fine. I used Finnex px-360 with a spraybar and that worked great for me.

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The more filtration the better, but that's going to be a lot of water flow in my opinion, esp in a nano tank. But it would be a good idea to use a pre-filter so none of your shrimp get sucked into the intake.
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I understand that. But what about the other questions :/ ?
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You say you washed your filter media with soap. Beyond that being unnecessary, what kind of soap? Note: don't use soap on anything tank-related. Use bleach if you want to disinfect.

The AC70 will be a ton of flow for your tank even if you modify things. Swapping the impeller, obstructing the outflow and even packing it to the brim with filter floss likely won't slow things down enough for such a shallow tank. (It would be perfect as a refugium on a pico reef, though!)

Eheim 2211 by itself will be perfect for the tank. You can control the flow and can use any kind of intake and outflow equipment that you desire. From spray bars to lily pipes.

If your Fluval Stratum is already in use, I wouldn't reuse it. Primarily because it breaks down too quickly and tends to be problematic for many experienced shrimp keepers. If you want a buffering substrate - since you'll be keeping Crystal Red Shrimp and Tangerine Tigers (they will interbreed, FYI), you could pick up a bag of Aquasoil. Or even Azoo Plant Grower Bed, if you want a bit of a higher hardness and pH and such for your Neos.

What would be ideal is for you to find another tank to house the CRS in so you don't have to walk the parameter tightrope. Then keep the TTs, PFRs and Amano shrimp in the tank with an inert substrate like Black Diamond blasting grit, the 'fine' version of Eco-Complete or crushed black lava rock.

Depending upon your lighting and your plants, CO2 likely won't be necessary and could serve to complicate matters.

Additionally, read everything in the sticky in the Shrimp forum. And then read it again.


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I second what somewhatshocked said about not washing with soap. When I scrub my equipment, I either use non iodized salt (or aquarium salt), or nothing but hot water. I've also used a bleach solution as well to soak an old aquarium that housed my bearded dragon. Some people are apprehensive about bleach, but bleach dissipates fast and leaves behind primarily salt and water once it breaks down.

I like your selection on shrimp! But, if I'm not mistaken, that CRS will interbreed with the Tangerine Tiger. Or at least according to this chart: http://www.planetinverts.com/ShrimpBreedingChart.pdf

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+1 ^ Bleach is fine as long as it is a watered down solution and you rinse plenty, then let air dry outside. I prefer vinegar and hot water to clean aquarium equipment.
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cycling in a shrimp & pico tank is likely the combination of the two most difficult to do.

soap is a no no in aquaria. If you soap washed your media, consider replacing it otherwise run the risk of it leaching back into the water column and killing shrimp. better to be safe than sorry.

You lost quite a bit of ground by removing the already established sts substrate and likely the most valuable aspect of the package..


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cycling in a shrimp & pico tank is likely the combination of the two most difficult to do.

soap is a no no in aquaria. If you soap washed your media, consider replacing it otherwise run the risk of it leaching back into the water column and killing shrimp. better to be safe than sorry.

You lost quite a bit of ground by removing the already established sts substrate and likely the most valuable aspect of the package..
The STS was really bad smelling and gave out a really bad Oder. And I was told STS lowers PH/GH?
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You say you washed your filter media with soap. Beyond that being unnecessary, what kind of soap? Note: don't use soap on anything tank-related. Use bleach if you want to disinfect.

The AC70 will be a ton of flow for your tank even if you modify things. Swapping the impeller, obstructing the outflow and even packing it to the brim with filter floss likely won't slow things down enough for such a shallow tank. (It would be perfect as a refugium on a pico reef, though!)

Eheim 2211 by itself will be perfect for the tank. You can control the flow and can use any kind of intake and outflow equipment that you desire. From spray bars to lily pipes.

If your Fluval Stratum is already in use, I wouldn't reuse it. Primarily because it breaks down too quickly and tends to be problematic for many experienced shrimp keepers. If you want a buffering substrate - since you'll be keeping Crystal Red Shrimp and Tangerine Tigers (they will interbreed, FYI), you could pick up a bag of Aquasoil. Or even Azoo Plant Grower Bed, if you want a bit of a higher hardness and pH and such for your Neos.

What would be ideal is for you to find another tank to house the CRS in so you don't have to walk the parameter tightrope. Then keep the TTs, PFRs and Amano shrimp in the tank with an inert substrate like Black Diamond blasting grit, the 'fine' version of Eco-Complete or crushed black lava rock.

Depending upon your lighting and your plants, CO2 likely won't be necessary and could serve to complicate matters.

Additionally, read everything in the sticky in the Shrimp forum. And then read it again.
I used normal dish washing soap :\ for the tank and media. Should I just get rid of it all? (Media)
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What is "regular dish soap"? Some anti-bacterial agent? Dawn? Palmolive? What?

Long story short: Yes, you should get rid of it all. There's the chance that it could later seep back into your tank or the chance that it could hinder growth of beneficial bacteria, prolonging the initial 'cycle'.

Better safe than sorry in this instance.


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all substrate smells. If it tastes like pringles, then you'd be in serious trouble.

STS lowers ph and gh intially but since your tank was well established, it probably would have been a good idea to test the water before taking action. Suppose this point is moot since everything went through the dishwasher now

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What is "regular dish soap"? Some anti-bacterial agent? Dawn? Palmolive? What?

Long story short: Yes, you should get rid of it all. There's the chance that it could later seep back into your tank or the chance that it could hinder growth of beneficial bacteria, prolonging the initial 'cycle'.

Better safe than sorry in this instance.
Ajax dish soap. Argh I spent so much. It would suck to spend more to buy yet another filter.
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Why would you have to buy another filter?

Just get new filter media.


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All you have to replace is the filter media.
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