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My plan is to DSM a 20L for 2 month with heavy root feeders.

Can I use Dolomite, Murite of Potassium, and clay with MGOCPM?

The reason I ask is because I just bought Dolomite, Murite of Potassium, and Clay for my MTS, but the MTS turned out to be really sandy after my 3rd wet/dry cycle. So, I am thinking about just using MGOCPM instead because I have used this stuff before. However, I have never used it with Dolomite, Murite of Potassium, and clay. I'd rather not go through the MTS cycles again, but I could... What do you think?

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Another question, if I decide not to use MGOCPM.

Can I just dump new a bag of Top Soil in my 20L without mineralization it and start my 2 month DSM? I heard that the DSM will MTS at the same time.

I'm having a hard time finding solid answer to these specific questions.

I appreciate you input/opinion DIRT KINGS!

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I'm not a dirt a king, more of a dirt squire.............or maybe just a dirty hippie.

"Can I use Dolomite, Murite of Potassium, and clay with MGOCPM?"

From what I've read about it, not only can you, but you are supposed to. The clay helps hold together the mts and provides iron. The dolomite is said to be optional depending on your water hardness. Potash, what could it hurt?

I made some MTS and used pottery clay powder, iron oxide, greensand, a little organic fertilizer and a sprinkle of peat on bottom glass. It's been about a month but the growth is amazing.

Just don't make it too deep or you'll get anaerobic conditions

As far as DSM, never tried it, but the process of microbes "mineralizing" the soil occurs whether the soil is spread thin on a tarp or submerged as aquarium substrate, it just occurs at a different rate.

True, the pic looks a little sandy, but after you mix in the other ingredients it will be a nutrient packed plant growing substrate.

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I'm not a dirt a king, more of a dirt squire.............or maybe just a dirty hippie.

"Can I use Dolomite, Murite of Potassium, and clay with MGOCPM?"

From what I've read about it, not only can you, but you are supposed to. The clay helps hold together the mts and provides iron. The dolomite is said to be optional depending on your water hardness. Potash, what could it hurt?

I made some MTS and used pottery clay powder, iron oxide, greensand, a little organic fertilizer and a sprinkle of peat on bottom glass. It's been about a month but the growth is amazing.

Just don't make it too deep or you'll get anaerobic conditions

As far as DSM, never tried it, but the process of microbes "mineralizing" the soil occurs whether the soil is spread thin on a tarp or submerged as aquarium substrate, it just occurs at a different rate.

True, the pic looks a little sandy, but after you mix in the other ingredients it will be a nutrient packed plant growing substrate.

Here's interesting:

http://www.aquabotanic.com/?p=1400
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...48&postcount=1

Thanks for the reading material. I'm about to dive right in. I scanned through them and they looks like really good article/ thread. I hope to find the answer to my questions.
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I've learned that if your tap water is on the soft side you should mix dolomite in the soil.

I also found out that the DSM process of 1-2 months will basically cycle the soil.

I am guessing that using Murite of Potassium and red clay with MGOCPM will be okay, but I'd like to hear from someone who has tired it before. How were your result?
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I didn't use any dolomite, my water is fairly hard. Also I just used whatever dirt I found around here (mix of potting soil, yard dirt old houseplant pots etc.) so I haven't used mcopm proper.

I think the idea is:

decaying organics dirty your tanks
dirt contains organics
microbes reduce organics into mineral components
once mineralized it won't dirty your water

The clay is an important part, imo, of mts because:
1.)It provides iron
2.)High CEC
3.)Holds together the mts and helps keep it from floating

Not rocket science though, I view it as "Plants like dirt", just make sure you don't do anything harmful for the fish and you're good

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I just dumped bags of top soil into my tanks. Never a problem. Never added anything else either. YMMV

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I didn't use any dolomite, my water is fairly hard. Also I just used whatever dirt I found around here (mix of potting soil, yard dirt old houseplant pots etc.) so I haven't used mcopm proper.

I think the idea is:

decaying organics dirty your tanks
dirt contains organics
microbes reduce organics into mineral components
once mineralized it won't dirty your water

The clay is an important part, imo, of mts because:
1.)It provides iron
2.)High CEC
3.)Holds together the mts and helps keep it from floating

Not rocket science though, I view it as "Plants like dirt", just make sure you don't do anything harmful for the fish and you're good
I think I got it figured out now. I am going to DROP the MTS just because I was more nutrient in the substrate rather than sand. I got MGOCPM already sifted and ready for DSM. My water is on the soft side so I will use a little dolomite in the soil. I never did find any information on useing Murite of potassium and clay with MGOCPM but I'm figuring it is the same and any dirt method.

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I just dumped bags of top soil into my tanks. Never a problem. Never added anything else either. YMMV
Yea, I'm probably over thinking it. Thanks.
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My plan is to DSM a 20L for 2 month with heavy root feeders.

Can I use Dolomite, Murite of Potassium, and clay with MGOCPM?

The reason I ask is because I just bought Dolomite, Murite of Potassium, and Clay for my MTS, but the MTS turned out to be really sandy after my 3rd wet/dry cycle. So, I am thinking about just using MGOCPM instead because I have used this stuff before. However, I have never used it with Dolomite, Murite of Potassium, and clay. I'd rather not go through the MTS cycles again, but I could... What do you think?

Attachment 154625

Another question, if I decide not to use MGOCPM.

Can I just dump new a bag of Top Soil in my 20L without mineralization it and start my 2 month DSM? I heard that the DSM will MTS at the same time.

I'm having a hard time finding solid answer to these specific questions.

I appreciate you input/opinion DIRT KINGS!

It doesn't hurt to try it. I've been researching doing the same exact thing for my next tank. Adding dolomite (because my source water is low in Magnesium & Calcium), clay, and potash (among other things) to MGOCPM and using it for a 2 month dry start.

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