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First, my setup:

I have a 37 "tall" (All-Glass #10037 37 Gallon 30"x12"x22") aquarium with an Eclipse 3 hood with a DIY 3rd light for a total of 3 x 18w = 54 watts of light. Lights are on for 14 hours. About 2 inches of substrate - 50% gravel, 50% flourite. DIY CO2 using 1 2-liter bottle and the sugar-water-and-yeast method, replenished once every 2 weeks (about when it runs out). Wood airstone for fine bubbles. Augment with 2ml Flourish Excel and 1.5ml Flourish Iron daily. Once a week 1ml Flourish. 2 20% water changes a week. I have about 10-15" of fish, and dozens of little snails (though my newly acquired dwarf puffers are rapidly reducing that number). Ph is 7.4ish, GH: 13, KH: 8, Iron: 0. I accumulate a light dusting of green algae on the front glass during a 2-3 week period.

While my Blue Hygro grows 2"+ a week, my java ferns are not diong well. The one big plant I bought made little ones on the tips of its leaves, so I attached those to rocks - I have 6 of them now. The leaves grow out, and then seem to fall apart. Any ideas?

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You mean the little plantlets? I think you may have cut them off a little too early, so maybe they havent completly developed correctly. Wait for a couple of weeks and see how it goes. If they die, then your mother plant will soon have some more on the way...
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The "mother plant" is also falling apart.
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Try placing it in a place with less lighting
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my java's are under 3.7watts per gallon, and don't fall apart.
Is the rhizome buried, or exposed? It should be exposed (talking bout the mother plant here)
I'm wondering if you're stripping too many useful nutrients by the twice a week water changes. Sure you're dosing Iron, but a lot of plants develop holes when they lack potassium, and you only dose Flourish once a week. Leaf Zone is a liquid fert with just Iron and Potassium...maybe worth a try.

I'm curious as to whether you have much algae? You don't have that much light, but dose a lot of ferts...which should be a recipe for algae attacks.
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Malkore,

Yes, the root portion of the parent plant is exposes. No, no Algae attacks - the CO2 doping seems to get the plants to use up all the fertilizer.

You mentioned 3.7 watts per gallon. I'm only running 1.5 watts per gallon, but Java Fern is supposed to be a low light plant, I thought.

Maybe I should get a potassium test kit....

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My point about the light was that Jave Ferns do very well under low light..even .8 watts per gallon...but that a ton of light shouldn't bother it at all. I noticed increased growth with more light, CO2 and ferts.

Also, from what I've heard, Flourish Potassium is fairly diluted...you have to use a lot to add a significant amount of potassium to the water...but that's just what I've heard.
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My Java Fern in my 6g Eclipse aren't doing well either, and I have DIY CO2, dose with Flourish & F. Iron. I've already decided to try some extra Potassium dosing as the situation seems similar to comon potassium deficiency. The Anubias Nana wasn't doing that well either, but Java moss, Anacharis & Hornwort are taking off. I'm guessing they're absorbing the ferts quicker than the Java Fern is.
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Try some Flourish Tab

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Flourish tab? the root tabs?

For non-root feeding Java Fern?
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I don't think the root tab will do squat for the java fern
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wait guys...this is confusing..i'm hearing about anubias and java fern not doing well in these posts...but isn't it supposed to be an easy plant? i've even heard of anubias being referred to as the closest thing to plastic plants

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I have had problems with Anubias and Java fern in the past as well.. but every time I did it was because some other fast growing plant was starving them of nutrients.

Odds are there is something else that is simply out competing them for food.


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Gareth,

Yes, the Seachem guy said he suspects my weed-like Blue Hygro is starving the slow growing Java Fern.

I started adding Potassium yesterday - we'll see how it goes.

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what is blue hygro?

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