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Fish or no Fish?

I have been reading this site for months. I finally took the leap and filled my 150 gal. tank. I just havent figured out if I need to get plants first and fish later, or all together. I remember reading something about "dont fishless cycle your tank" but cant remember it all. Any suggestions will be helpful.
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Get the plants first. Much eaiser to get the tank how you want it and PH, CO2 and everything adjusted, then add the fish, I add ottos and shrimp first then the fish a week or so later. Ottos and shrimp will take care of or at least help that inital algae out break that you get


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Thanks, got the plants today and set everything up! hopefully I got enough to slow any algae breakouts. We'll see in the next month. Tina
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I add ottos and shrimp first
Hows you survivability rate with the Otto's? I just lost two of ten in my quarantine tank.
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Knock on wood, I have had great luck with ottos, I dont think I have lost any, knock on wood


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I would fishless cycle, because it goes by quicker, and there is no chance of any deaths.
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I would fishless cycle, because it goes by quicker, and there is no chance of any deaths.
no don't do that....
My suggestion is to read Rex Grigg's guide...go to www.rexgrigg.com
That will help a lot. Makes no sense to do a fishless cycle when you are going heavily planted. I bought 10 otos from day one and I still have 10 otos.
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If it is planted, a fish cycle is the only way to go. I did so, on accident really, and had no deaths. Still have the same fish I cycled with too. 3 weeks after I started the ammonia levels were barely readable.

Even with plants make sure to stay on top of the readings and ready to do a water change. I had ammonia spike up to "uncomfortable" levels once.
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Thanks, I am going tomorrow to buy some fish. Not sure if I can find ottos here.....I may have to order them. I know I will have to order the amanos because I have never seen them in any of the stores around here. I am having trouble finding a place to purchase a co2 tank. Any ideas? Tina
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I wouldn't cycle with Oto's (personal preference). People have enough trouble keeping them in established tanks. I'd wait a while until you go with those guys. You won't have much of an algae problem right off the bat.

Have you tried welding shops for the CO2 tank?
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Fire extinguisher stores are another good place to get CO2 and the tanks. Also, home brewing stores sell CO2 equipment.

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Havent tried a fire extinguisher place...good idea. I know where one is and I will try tomorrow. As for now I got 15 neons, I didnt see anything I wanted. I really want angels, but the neons will give me a flash of color for now. Tina
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If you do get a few angels, some of the neons will end up missing.
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Start cycling with hardier algae eating species. Try cheapo cherry shrimps as the first to arrive. They will establish them selves and colonize the tank within 2 months, start with 50 (these tiny shrimps are actually more hardy than some ottos). If you plan on big fish like angles and discus, dont use cherry shrimps. Instead try some baby SAE, around 6 will do the job (when they almost reach adult size, get rid of them because large SAE eat plants). Ottos are great choise, but tends to be a bit hard to keep alive especially if you have an unstable tank and happens to get not so good batch. For the long run, nothing can beat shrimp-otto combo, I guarantee that. You can also try CAE if the tank is a bit smaller, so several months later you can catch them and ask for a trade to LFS (the fish will can grow very big over time, but really effective at eating algae).


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I do plan on Angels, but the neons I am getting are the jumbo ones. They are big, hopefully too big to eat. I will have to order any shrimp I need, so I will get on that. Thanks all..........Tina
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