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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 06-20-2006, 05:55 PM Thread Starter
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Amano must sell Ambrosia

O.K. someones probably brought this up before but I have to say amano must think he's selling ambrosia. I took a look at his sight and was flabbergasted. Is audastic a word, cause thats how I'd describe it. For one bottle of his green brighty step fertilizer I could buy a year of ferts from greg watson. $100.00 for a diffuser geez. I have a full setup with no algae (I promise) for less than one of his light assemblies. Guess I'm just ranting, but I shy away from such excesses it seems a little too indulgent, sorry wouldn't buy it if I had the money.
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I guess he's kind of the "louis vuitton" of the aquascaping world. His products may work just as well as a DIY, but if you buy that name, you pay more for it.

Bad example, but..

People that love purses would rather buy the $300 dollar Coach purse than the $20 plastic one in Walmart. Both do the job just fine.

People that love aquascaping sometimes would like to indulge themselves in something expensive like that, BECAUSE they love the hobby - just like the person who bought the Coach purse.

If that made any sense?


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amano and ADA sells HIGH quality components. now this has been brought up several times before..but the crux of it is this..
some people drive Geo Metros and some people drive Mercedes Benzes...they both will get you to work, but there is a huge difference between a SL500 and a
Geo Metro.

Ever see an ADA tank in person? Touched or seen the glassware with your own eyes?
Somethings are a bit over priced, like the ferts, but thats all part of a product line. The products are high quality and built well, with style and function.
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Being lucky enough to have an ADA store locally (Aquaforest), I've been able to see up-close and personal the ADA materials such as the glass diffusers, filter pipes, bubble counters, etc. I've had a non-ADA glass diffuser in the past and there is no way that it came even close to the quality of the ADA one. The thickness and quality of the glass, the workmanship were all vastly superior. Would I pay $100 for a glass diffuser? No, my PVC inline reactor is just dandy thank you. But there is at least some justification to the price other than the 'label.' I haven't really checked out the fertilizer line but I wonder how it would compare with the Seachem line? Seachem is a bajillion times more expensive than dry ferts from Greg Watson and it's not even an import!
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This is not coming from someone who hasen't seen the product line. I've been to aquaforest on several occasions, as well as seen other tanks equipped similarly. I relinquish the point made earlier, yes some drive the sl500 and would prefer it that way. I never questioned the quality, the craftsmanship is top notch, but $17 to $20 for dissolved nitrate? c'mon!
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Guess I'm just ranting, but I shy away from such excesses it seems a little too indulgent, sorry wouldn't buy it if I had the money.
Youre missing out then

If you wouldnt buy it if you had the money, then why the ranting necessary?

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If I think something is too expensive I just tend to not buy it. That works pretty well for me.

"Good judgment is the result of experience, experience is the result of bad judgment." --Mark Twain
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bavarian3: If you wouldnt buy it if you had the money, then why the ranting necessary?
I agree with you, but from time to time a company, not just ADA, will sell a product that is an insult to persons intelligence.

I wonder how many hobbyist made a onetime purchase of the ADA fertilizers and then refilled the bottles with Greg Watson's ferts.


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This seems to happen every few months... someone complains about ADA's pricing scheme. It always ends the say way too, an arguement ensues and the thread is locked. There is only one response to this question in my eyes, if you think a product is priced too high in accordance with it's value, then simply don't buy it. This applies to any product such as the already mentioned Mercedes vs Geo, not just ADA.

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This is not coming from someone who hasen't seen the product line. I've been to aquaforest on several occasions, as well as seen other tanks equipped similarly. I relinquish the point made earlier, yes some drive the sl500 and would prefer it that way. I never questioned the quality, the craftsmanship is top notch, but $17 to $20 for dissolved nitrate? c'mon!
Their ferts are not disolved nitrate. Amano does rely heavily on substrate fertilization and keeps the water column very lean. This is vastly different then most people who do the EI method (I use EI). Some things in the ADA line are worth it and I would not ever buy anything else. ie. substrate and tanks.


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I bought the ADA substrate and it is cheaper than the other top substrates.

If it cost the same or a little more I would still buy it because of how easy it is to plant in it and how good it looks.

I only have one tank set up with it but after just 2 weeks you can see better growth than with any other substrate that I have used.

Some products ADA have are a good deal so don't forget to give all of their products a look just because some are high.

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Once you go ADA Aquasoil you wont go back to Flourite , Onyx or whatever. I have never seen stem plants grow with such vigor as I have witnessed with ADA Aquasoil. Try it for yourself and you'll see what i'm talking about.
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Points all taken, most agreed on the intelligence factor. Just put my opinion out there, didn't realize how heavily this may have already been discussed. I do plan on trying the substrate, I see that as an investment in my tank if it works as well as claimed. I just believe in the kind of spirit say behind greg watsons practices, and to me it seems he may even be driving seachems product lower, I could be wrong. This is whats enabled everyone to engage in such a wonderfull hobby, thats the merit I give it. Like I said just my 2 cents. Amano, like many others here, published books that for the first time really engaged my attention in this hobby, his credit is due for sharing that experience. Nuff said.
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Amano does rely heavily on substrate fertilization and keeps the water column very lean. This is vastly different then most people who do the EI method (I use EI).
If you go to The ADG Store and read the descriptions of what is in the Amano fertilizer products, and click the "extended" tabs to read the dosing instructions, you will see that your statement is wrong. In fact, the ADA recommendations are very similar to EI.
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If you go to The ADG Store and read the descriptions of what is in the Amano fertilizer products, and click the "extended" tabs to read the dosing instructions, you will see that your statement is wrong. In fact, the ADA recommendations are very similar to EI.
No its not...

EI recommends dosing full N P K. then trace + GH booster.

With ADA you simply use step 1 which is mainly trace, then add some K.
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