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Wanna help a newb aquascape?

I've been dreaming of this for over a year, been lurking here just as long, asking silly questions and spending hours reading, which turned into money spending and now I have everything I need....for now at least. So far I have been keeping the plants I want to have, slowly adding them to my tank and seeing how they'll do. I will list what I can.

The tank and substrate: 35 gallon tall hex tank. It is 24 3/4 " tall with 3 inches of fluorite. About 22" wide at its widest point. There are 2 angels in there currently, other fish are TBD. I only plan to have angels in here and maybe a pair of rams and some neons, not sure yet.

The plants: I have are 5 stems of Asian Ambulia, 3 small but growing brown wendti crypts, a few sthems of Brazilian Elodea, a few stems of sunset hygrophila, a few stems of didplis diandra, an amazon swordplant a little smaller then a medium size. I also have java moss attached to the lava rock and will cultivate this and add to the driftwood eventually. And my boyfriend thought he'd be nice and threw in some aponogeton bulbs when he was tank-sitting from wally world which I didn't pick out but now I'm curious so they're laying in there but haven't sprouted.

Other things:I have a rather large piece of tall driftwood which is in the shape of a Y. I also have 2 small-med red lava rocks with holes in the middle which have java moss tied to them.

Inhabitants:There are 2 angels in there currently, other fish are TBD. I only plan to have angels in here and maybe a pair of rams and some neons, not sure yet.

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I want to put the tall broad plants like the sword in the back corners with the ambulia around the hygrophila. I want to get some small low to the ground plants for the foreground but can't find any at my LFS so the search is on. I want to plant the diandra and elodea in the middle by the driftwood and put the crypts @ the left side of the driftwood and the diandra and elodea on the other side. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I will send pics if that would help. I know it's hard to see it without SEEING it. I will mess around with it and post a pic later. But any suggestions on where things should go, what would look best, and what plants to get in the future would be great!

thanks!

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I only plan to have angels in here and maybe a pair of rams and some neons, not sure yet.
NO neons with angels!
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I was gonna say neons+angels=expensive sushi. Truthfully, with the dimensions you describe, I'm not sure I'd do rams either. They'd be OK as long as you got say...2 females or 2 males but if either they or the angels pair off, there's no room to hide.

I would also say that eventually the swords will outgrow the tank. I hate that too because I dislike fussy little plants (and with the exception of certain fluffy ones, stems too).

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NO neons with angels!
hmm,i would like to disagree with that. My tank set up has cardinals(which are similar in shape and size as neons only nicer looking) living together peacefully with my angel so i think it should be off no problem. Afterall,both fishes come from the same habitat hence they should be able to do fine together,contrary to what most people believe.
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I have had large angels with simulans (small) and cardinals in this tank for years.
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I think this is one of those "Your Mileage May Vary" things. Some folks manage to have angels and tetras and get away with it, and I've also read posts from folks who find half a neon, or an angel with a tail sticking out of its mouth. If I were to try it, I would start out with dime or nickle sized angels and fully grown tetras. That way there's some chance that they'll grow up thinking of the tetras as "tankmates" rather than "food" .

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I have had large angels with simulans (small) and cardinals in this tank for years.

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hmm,i would like to disagree with that. My tank set up has cardinals(which are similar in shape and size as neons only nicer looking) living together peacefully with my angel so i think it should be off no problem. Afterall,both fishes come from the same habitat hence they should be able to do fine together,contrary to what most people believe.
Uhh, I don't think that coming from the same habitat is a good argument for peaceful cohabitation. After all, the fish that angels EAT in the wild also come from the same habitat!

Jsenske, that tank is gorgeous! I love it. I'm also kind of a fan of P. simulans. I think they are the neglected middle sibling of the Paracheirodon genus (I probably spelled that wrong, no time to look it up!). Everyone's so proud of big brother P. axelrodi, and who can resist cute little P. innesi!

Where'd all that come from? I must have taken too much cough syrup or something....
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hmm,i would like to disagree with that. My tank set up has cardinals(which are similar in shape and size as neons only nicer looking) living together peacefully with my angel so i think it should be off no problem. Afterall,both fishes come from the same habitat hence they should be able to do fine together,contrary to what most people believe.
That, I must say is bad advise. Look at the food chain. Mice and owls live in the same place, but owls eat mice. Lions and antalope live in the same place, but lions eat antolopes. It's the same for fish. Would you keep a great white shark with a seal? You might have had different expieriences because no animal is exactly alike.

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Lions and antalope live in the same place, but antalope eat lions.
Haha... anyone else catch that?
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Lions and antalope live in the same place, but antalope eat lions.

I seen that also I was like hold on here flag on the play
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Oh seastar, I believe Wasserpest has a hex journal around here somewhere....might be a good place to look for inspiration.

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hmm,i would like to disagree with that. My tank set up has cardinals(which are similar in shape and size as neons only nicer looking) living together peacefully with my angel so i think it should be off no problem. Afterall,both fishes come from the same habitat hence they should be able to do fine together,contrary to what most people believe.
Your angels might not yet be big enough. As the angels get bigger, the cardinals will look smaller to them and more appetizing. Eventually, they WILL be an expensive meal for the angelfish.
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On this subject of angels, neons, and cardinals, I think it should also be pointed out that neons and cardinals are not really the same size. I've never seen a neon top 1.25 inches, but I've seen cardinals pushing 2 inches. Maybe not a huge difference, but maybe enough to discourage a relatively small-mouthed angel.

Plus, it's not just about the fish, it's also about the tank. I could see neons and angels coexisting in a 180 gallon with copious vegetation a lot easier than in a sparsely planted 20 gallon.

FWIW, I kept a large angel (almost 4 inches long) in a well planted 55 for a year with several kinds of tetras, including golds and glow-lights. No problems.

PS, I really dig it on those nature shows when the antelopes run down and eat the lions. That's so cool! (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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