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Hi All,

I have been fishkeeping for nearly 50 years but this is my first planted tank.

Looking for comments or suggestions on the following plan.

20gal $20 long or high?
Whisper 60 HOB powerfilter $25 or Penguin 350 HOB Power filter $29
Aqualight Freshwater T5 Dual Fluorescent Light Fixture $40
Flourite or Eco-complete $30
Submersible Heater $20

Thanks,
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Hi All,

I have been fishkeeping for nearly 50 years but this is my first planted tank.

Looking for comments or suggestions on the following plan.

20gal $20 long or high?
Whisper 60 HOB powerfilter $25 or Penguin 350 HOB Power filter $29
Aqualight Freshwater T5 Dual Fluorescent Light Fixture $40
Flourite or Eco-complete $30
Submersible Heater $20

Thanks,
Dave
Hello Dave...

I've tried planting small tanks, they're a bit of a waste of effort. There's no elbow room. If you're serious about a planted tank, then get something you can work in, like at least a 30 to 38 G. A 55 G wouldn't be too large and give you a lot of room to have a good variety of plants and some good sized pieces of driftwood and nice rocks.

Just get a fixture that will hold a couple of florescent bulbs, say 6500K, T8s from the hardware store and you won't break the bank and still have enough light to grow quite a few aquatic plants.

Just one reporter's opinion, though.

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Hi All,

I have been fishkeeping for nearly 50 years but this is my first planted tank.

Looking for comments or suggestions on the following plan.

20gal $20 long or high?
Whisper 60 HOB powerfilter $25 or Penguin 350 HOB Power filter $29
Aqualight Freshwater T5 Dual Fluorescent Light Fixture $40
Flourite or Eco-complete $30
Submersible Heater $20

Thanks,
Dave
I would say the length vs height debate really depends on what type of plants you're going to be using, and as far as filter I personally prefer Aqueon power filters because they're efficient and very quiet, but if you like the two mentioned above I would say the tetra.

The light fixture seems fine as well, and I cannot comment on substrate as I use floramax and have never tried either of them.

Oh and small planted tanks are not a waste!
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If you want to know whether a small tank is a waste(not my opinion) go check out the Nano section here... nuf said.

I would think about the types of small fish your most interested in keeping with your plants as any smaller tank will only hold so many fish properly.

What types of fish are you interested in?

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Tetras, barbs, sharks
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i would get the taller tank for the plants. shorter tanks can be a pain if as you might have to trim a lot more. it really just depends on what plants you want to keep.

what kind of shark? most will need at least a 55g. also they can be very aggressive.

i did not like eco complete. im about to try the Flourite on my next tank. i really love the aqua soil stuff if your up for that.

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Then I would go with a lower longer tank style since they will have more room to swim about.

The 20 long with minimal fish would work well keeping in mind your doing it for the plants.

A 30 long would be better still with sharks(I assume Redtailed or Rainbow).

Going to put up pics here as you dev. the setup?

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i would get the taller tank for the plants. shorter tanks can be a pain if as you might have to trim a lot more. it really just depends on what plants you want to keep.

what kind of shark? most will need at least a 55g. also they can be very aggressive.

i did not like eco complete. im about to try the Flourite on my next tank. i really love the aqua soil stuff if your up for that.
Why are shorter tanks a pain to trim when there are well over 50 varieties of plants that are plenty short enough, or grow very slowly and require no trimming like anubias? Why do you think a shark needs a 55gal? They get to about 5" max?

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sharks are very active and aggressive so they need more room. i would never put a shark in smaller but thats just me. the RTS in my 125g uses all the space.

sure there are a lot of short pants but maybe not the ones he wants. i just wanted to let them know some plants will be a pain. stem plants suck in short tanks. i have a 33g long and basically just dwarf sag and floating hornwort because everything else i have would need to be trimmed to much.

like said there are plants that are great for short tanks but it will deff limit you.

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Why are shorter tanks a pain to trim when there are well over 50 varieties of plants that are plenty short enough, or grow very slowly and require no trimming like anubias? Why do you think a shark needs a 55gal? They get to about 5" max?
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maybe he dosnt like those pants???? i just put out a warning about how some plants are a pain to trim in short tank. and there are a lot of them.... i know i wish i had some taller planted tanks. the fact that no one else seems to realize this is strange to me, its just common sense. the shorter the tank the faster you will have to trim tall plants.

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33g long cherry shrimp, 8 pygmy corys, 5 ottos
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maybe he dosnt like those pants???? i just put out a warning about how some plants are a pain to trim in short tank. and there are a lot of them.... i know i wish i had some taller planted tanks. the fact that no one else seems to realize this is strange to me, its just common sense. the shorter the tank the faster you will have to trim tall plants.
You're right it is common sense but people like me worry more about the comfort of the fish, and the space it has to swim rather than having low maintenance like trimming.
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Some of the stem plants can grow very tall, I am constantly trimming my water sprite and Hygrophilla Agustafolia. Would the tetras like the long better, for more room to school in? Flourite has worked very nicely for my tanks.
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the comfort of the fish? then dont put a shark in a 30in long tank.... sure tetras and barbs would like a extra 6in of length but they are not near as active as the shark. i will not go smaller then a 29g for my community tanks but again that is just me. the stock he wants now deff is to much for either 20g imo...

id put my tanks stock up against anyone's... i deff let my fish have room, unless there breeding.
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Some of the stem plants can grow very tall, I am constantly trimming my water sprite and Hygrophilla Agustafolia. Would the tetras like the long better, for more room to school in? Flourite has worked very nicely for my tanks.
That's exactly what I was thinking! (The tetra part)
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