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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-26-2006, 01:33 PM Thread Starter
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Finally ready to start...NOT!!!

OK well my long awaited tank arrival is over. It came on Friday...what is that you say? It is damaged from shipping? That SUCKS. Yes it looks like I have to wait another 3 weeks for another one to be manufactured. Will this never end?? In the meantime, this is what I have so far. Can anyone think of what I may need that I left out?

I Milwaukee CO2 reg
AQUARIUM PHARMACEUTICALS AQUARIAN FRESHWATER DELUXE PH TEST
AQUARIUM PHARMACEUTICALS AQUARIAN FRESHWATER GENERAL HARDNES
RED SEA AMMONIA MINI-LAB
RED SEA NITRITE MINI-LAB
RED SEA NITRATE MINI-LAB
RED SEA PHOSPHATE MINI-LAB
2 PRO-HEAT IC HEATER 200W 11.75IN
Filstar XP3 Canister
8 BAGS OF ECO COMPLETE
30 fast growing stem plants to start
Python siphon w/50 feet of hose
10000 HQI with 96x2 actinic and 4 lunars (I like the actinics for the fishies)
3 nice pieces of driftwood from LFS

If I left anything of importance out, now is the time to order it, I guess....I have nothing but time until the new tank is built (90 gal acrylic) 24 x 18 x 48. Any thoughts?

And BTW if anyone local to NYC or NJ is interested in buying a $600 tank for half price or less, let me know. The damage is minimal, the corners are scraped on one side. it wouldn't show if someone needed it for a one sided tank, I; however, need it for 3 sided viewing, so it will show. You can buy it from me for real cheap (like 250 bucks) IM me let me know...

In the meantime...suggestions?

Thanks a bunch
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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-26-2006, 03:48 PM
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How much non-actinic light do you have? 192 watts of actinic light for a planted tank is going to cause problems.
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You will want a KH test kit too, so you can estimate the amount of CO2 you have in the water, and to be able to adjust KH if necessary to avoid PH crash. You mentioned that you like the actinic lights for the fish - in a successful planted aquarium it works best to think of the plants first and fish second. Otherwise you may be thinking of algae first, last and forever!

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The lighting unit is as follows:
150w 10,000k Metal Halide
2-96w actinics <192w> 460nm x 420 nm
and 4 moon white lunars. All intercooled with internal fans

not enough?
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Any particular brand of KH test kit better than the other?
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A lot of us use the Aquarium Pharm. (AP) KH tests. Any chance of talking you into a glass tank? Also, you didn't mention what kind of reactor or diffusor you are using for the CO2?





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It is the Milwaukee all in one
do I need more pieces parts?
I want to try the acrylic tank first. If, down the road I fine I don't like it, I will go to glass. I want to try the lighter weight. IS that so wrong? lol
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It is the Milwaukee all in one
do I need more pieces parts?
I want to try the acrylic tank first. If, down the road I fine I don't like it, I will go to glass. I want to try the lighter weight. IS that so wrong? lol
Yup, you need something to disperse the gas bubbles into the water column. Aquamedic makes a large reactor which can be plumbed inline from the output of the can filter.
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...&N=2004+113779

or same unit here: http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/...d1=3349;pcid2=

Or contact Rex and he can make you a great reactor for about 2/3 less in cost. Or you can buy the PVC and make it yourself for about $15 to $20.00... See Rex's site and look up the CO2 section to find the DIY reactor. That is pretty much what he will make you. And if you're really nice, he might throw in a Cuban cigar!


You will also need some CO2 grade airline to run the gas from the Allinone to the reactor. Contact Rex for the best price on real Clippard CO2 line. Around .65 per foot. The way it works is the Gas comes from the regulator/bubble counter set up and plumbs into a thing called a reactor... near the top of the reactor. Also coming into the top of the reactor is the output of the cannister filter. Inside a bunch of turbulence which absorbs the CO2 into the water. (Otherwise if you put the gas straight into the tank the bubbles would float straight up and most all would be wasted. ) The outflow on the bottom of the reactor goes to your spraybar and the CO2 has already been absorbed into the water column so very little is "wasted". And the plants start hyper photosythesizing and pearling!


Regards glass vs. acrylic... Algae maintenance is why most prefer glass. Plus you can keep bristlenoses...





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Are you using a single MH fixture?

I will warn you that a single 150w will not cover a 48 tank. It even comes short of filling a 30. You will have dark areas on the sides.

If you want to use actinics, I have found 50/50 look better than straight blue.
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so do I replace one of the actinics for another type of bulb to make up for that?
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Thanks so much for all of the info. I will email rex. I already got a valve from him. i should have gotten the othe stuff at the same time. See this is why I ask so many newby questions.
As for the acrylic, I know why you guys prefer glass. i did get a rubber squigi for algae contol. I will get some other cats in place of the pleco. I love the fact that this tank doesn't have seams. Since it is going to be a room divider of sorts and be visible on three sides, I like that it has no visual interruptions. Hell at this point, if it doesn't work, I can get a different one, but the plexi goes well with the design of my place, so I will give it a go. THANS soooo much for the good hosing and CO2 info
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D'nada...Glad to help. As a room divider, you made the right call. I think your 48" light is fine, in fact a very nice light, if the 48" have two 150 watt MH HQIs? You can ditch the PC actinics and get your choice of lamps. Maybe one 9325 GE and one 6500K. Or keep one actinic for the fish look, but IMHO, I also would punt on the actinics. Also, we want pics on the launch!





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ok so you've comvinced me. The light will go back. I did get the tubing and reactor today, so I will send back the metal Halide and go for more, ditching the actinics
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