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Help with tonina belem

My tonina belem is turning a clear whitish color I have it in flourite with a peat under layer. kh 1.7, ph 6.0, Co2 51ppm. So does this have to be a nutrient issue? I know it is better to have an acidic substrate, but I thought it would do alright in flourite if your kh was below 3?


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I don't know if that's a disease or what, but in my experience, it will spread if you don't cut the affect leaves, make sure you cut it at least 2 mm beyond the affect part. Don't let it touch other stems, it will spread that way too.

BTW, Tonina can do very well in Flourite provided your water is soft, a lot of CO2, and A LOT of light!

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It might just be getting used to its new (your) tank. The same thing happened with rotala green, it did not grow at all instead its leaves began coming off but I let it go by itself and it produced many new shoots. The same thing is happening to my blyxa japonica right now despite it being in ADA Aquasoil.
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Tonina Belem will sometimes lose its color if there's not enough iron in the column. Are you dosing micros?
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Tonina Belem will sometimes lose its color if there's not enough iron in the column. Are you dosing micros?
Yes, iron and csm+b


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I don't know if that's a disease or what, but in my experience, it will spread if you don't cut the affect leaves, make sure you cut it at least 2 mm beyond the affect part. Don't let it touch other stems, it will spread that way too.

BTW, Tonina can do very well in Flourite provided your water is soft, a lot of CO2, and A LOT of light!
It dose kinda seem like a disease... Only some leafs are like that and it dose seem to be spreading


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I hope it's just getting used to my tank like trckrunrmike said. But it looks like the parts that have turned whitish are dead...


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No, Tonina won't turn white and dead when getting used to new water. They just shrink in size until they grow lots of fury roots, then they will start growing tall, as soon as they get near the light, they will also start getting big.

I've been keeping Tonina for 6 years.

Good luck, I have lost a whole batch of Tonina that way. It happens once in awhile. I always grab a dozen or so stems to my quarantine tank when I see the first sign of trouble.

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I agree with Sarah, I also think it is iron. My tonina will get whiter when I don't keep up with the micro dosing. Also what is your macro dosing, size of tank and watts per gallon.


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I think OP doesn't mean the leaf just get whiter, but transparent, and when it reaches the stem, that part would completely disintegrate, try touch it, it will fall apart.

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I think OP doesn't mean the leaf just get whiter, but transparent, and when it reaches the stem, that part would completely disintegrate, try touch it, it will fall apart.
Yeah, it's like that. So it's a disease or something??? So how do you fix it? I have a UVS running, so if it is a disease it shouldn't spread. But it looks like all my tonina have it now


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