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Alternative to PMDD, is this any good?

Hi Guys,

I am lookin gat solutions for ferts and Gregwatson altough great are too expensive for me to buy.

I was a local store here and they had this stuff for sale:

http://www.grotek.net/products/guide...sp?code=calmax

and

http://www.grotek.net/products/guide...p?code=budfuel

I think it is all natural stuff.

Would this work in a 75gal planted tanK with fish/invertebrates?
Or is there anything else on that website that could be used for NPK?

Thanks so much for all the help.
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Joe, is it made for aquatic plants? If so, that stuff looks like it would cover your N and K, but you'd have to work out the dosing amounts on your own with a bit of experimentation. I can't imagine you'd save money in the long run. Buying liquid ferts is almost always more expensive than dry ferts. Shipping to Canada shouldn't be too excessive.

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Well it is expensive... Almost $20Us just for shipping and I beleive it is shipped thru UPS which charges mroe for brokerage duties and crap like that.

It is not made for aquatic plants, but it is natural and has no urea or copper in it.
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Any decent DGSS (read hydroponics) will have bulk dry nutrients. And there are several good trace mixes you can use.

I would suggest looking around for dry KNO3, KH2PO4 and K2SO4 and a trace mix.

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Well it is expensive... Almost $20Us just for shipping and I beleive it is shipped thru UPS which charges mroe for brokerage duties and crap like that.

It is not made for aquatic plants, but it is natural and has no urea or copper in it.
Just to correct a little information here ...

I ship to Canada several times a week ... and I ship via FedEx because they do not charge those brokerage fees ... and I can't remember the last time shipping was actually that high to Canada <grin> - its usually about $11-18 for a typical order ...

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Since "d" is illegal in the United States, there is no such thing as a legal "d growers supply shop." Suggesting that he obtain supplies from an illegal source is just plain bad advice.
Unfortunately you and Betowess quoted or reworded Rex's post which makes it difficult for the mods to edit that stuff out. Rex was actually referring to hydroponic's shops which are also a source of equipment for the jerks that like to grow illegal plants and sell/use them. Hopefully they all get what they deserve for their activities. Could I ask that in the future you guys take Rex's jokes as jokes and let the mods work on 'fixing' any offensive language. This way we have an easier time working to eliminate language that can make law enforcement bots ears perk up needlessly. Infact I'd appreciate it if you three go back and edit your posts to remove the references before I do.

As to the question about the ferts, Rex did have a good point, do a search on hydroponics, or check the phone book and you can find what you need. Unless you go with Greg who does have a good product. I think you'd find that his prices are the best if you figure in how long the dry ferts will last you.

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Sorry 'bout that. Didn't catch the joke!

Sorry to the original poster as well. I don't have much advice about those links, other than I would be very hesitant to try them as they are not originally intended for aquatic plants.
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Rex was actually referring to hydroponic's shops which are also a source of equipment for the jerks that like to grow illegal plants and sell/use them. Hopefully they all get what they deserve for their activities.
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Well, good news, I found a store that sells NPK traces, but not micro.
The only one they have is a compound with 5% iron and the other minerals but also has 0.1% copper which I understand is not usable in a shrimp tank at all...
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What is the name of the trace mineral mix?
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The name on the box says Wonder duzz. No idea who this is.
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yes, truelly the root of all evil in the world today.

I second that. Not a forum topic, but whatever.

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I was using hydroponics ferts for a while since I had them on hand for other stuff.... It was really hard to translate the dosages to something I could use in a planted tank. If you're looking to economize, I toooootally urge you to just buy it from Greg. YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED. Otherwise, you'll end up pouring money down the drain. Literally.
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Most of what Greg sells isn't different from what you could get elsewhere, but the unique thing is the small quantities he sells. A pound of most ferts is a near lifetime supply unless you have a giant tank, and you can get a pound from Greg at a per pound cost much like a 50 pound bag. If you buy the same stuff elsewhere you buy 50 pounds at a time. Frankly, one lifetime's supply is enough for me.

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