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Angels Spawning

My golden angels are spawning! They are already viciously guarding the clutch from hungry cardinals. The funny thing is- the angels are only half grown, their bodies about a silver dollar in size. Is it normal for them to spawn at this early an age?

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I dont know what size they must be to spawn. I do know that I'm going to turn my 30 gallon into an angle breeing tank so I can make some extra money. Why not make your aquarium pay for itself? Do you plan on selling your baby anglefish? My LFS will buy baby angle fish form me for 1$ per fish. I don't even have any angle fish yeat, but if I can get them to breed twice a month, I'm estimating ill be making an extra 200$ per month. That will more than pay for all my aquarium equipment and chemicals.

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Funny thing. I walked out into the living room after reading this and there was a mass of Angelfish eggs on the front glass.

All I have to say shuks is good luck. And they should be paying a lot more than a $1 each for anglefish. Angelfish are $1 each.

I'm not sure about anglefish but Angelfish won't really breed twice a month. At most you might get once a month. And even then many Angelfish are not the best parents. You almost need a separate tank to raise the fry.
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If their bodies (not counting fins) are a silver dollar in size, then they are plenty large enough to spawn. I believe they can start around 1 year of age. And there is really no correlation between size and age. Size depends mostly on the environment they grew up in.

Make no mistake, this is no quick and easy way to make cash. Full broods can be tough to get and tough to keep alive. not to mention the amount of baby brine shrimp that 100 - 200 (not to mention full grown fish can produce 500+ eggs) fry can go through is astronomical. And the work to keep shrimp hatching at that intake rate is taxing.

If you plan on raising 200 fish per month, and it takes about 3 months to get a saleable size, you will be stocking 600 angelfish. That's a lot of tanks, food, and maintenance. I've tried it, I don't have the schedule to keep up with it, nor do i have a productive enough breeding pair (40-50 healthy fry per brood doesn't pay for itself).

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I'm not sure about anglefish but Angelfish won't really breed twice a month. At most you might get once a month. And even then many Angelfish are not the best parents. You almost need a separate tank to raise the fry.

Mine spawned every 2 weeks like clockwork for 6 months, now they are down to every 3 weeks. But i most certainly needed a hatchout tank, because they ate all the eggs within 3 days.


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Tru dat... I never really considerd how many fish I would have to be holding at one time. I'd need like 10 diffrent tanks.. AHHH!. I'lll just have to feed the extra anglefish to my arowana. Hell love to munch on some of them

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timr has some very valid points. The numbers on paper are very different from when you start raising fish. Angels are regular crap factories, and require a lot of attention to raise properly. This is why I'm trying to learn to raise less-demanding species. Not sure how it will turn out; nothing moves like angels at the LFS.

Not all angels are bad parents. I have two pair that do just fine on their own. I do agree, however, that in most cases you'll have more success if you remove the eggs and raise them separate. Angels can rattle off a batch of eggs every two weeks no problem. But this only lasts a year or two with heavy feeding. Females will eventually start to "dry out".


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I was basing my information on a talk with a local breeder of Angelfish. He has around 5000 gallons of tanks in his fish room. He goes for a spawn every month. But I seem to recall he does get more than a year from the females.
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I have bred several species of fish before. Getting them to spawn can be the easy part. Raising the fry is a real pain. They need to be fed often and the water needs to be changed daily. Very labor intensive. It is not worth the effort for raising cash IMHO. Maybe large scale and a full time would be differant.
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I can't wait for the female to "dry out". It's hell on everyone else in the tank, and the fry never get to more than 1/4" or so, due to the fact that I never feed them.

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Rex, as you mentioned, many books/breeders say angels aren't the best parents... I have yet to experience them with fry, but the angels are viciously defending the clutch. Any cardinal that comes near is chased to the other end of the tank. The most amazing thing is: they take turns eating. The female guarded the eggs while the male ate, and then they switched. This was really incredible for me to see; it shows how intelligent the animals are.

No, I'm not going to raise the batch, nor any batches in the near future. Maybe in a year or so I'll raise one or two, but I will never turn into Unirda and his crazy money making machine

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They tend to guard the egg at first, but because most of them aren't great parents, they'll soon eat the eggs or wigglers or worse yet, the free swimmers. But if you do have good parent angels, thats one to really treasure



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We raised some angels last winter, and gave them to the LFS every couple of months. Last week we went to the store, and two of our babies had spawned in the store and had fry. So, they're able to breed at about 9 months. I believe some we sold at a fish club auction in April spawned in May some time.
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so now there are a bunch of imbread anglefish at your local fish store that are being sold? that sucks...

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Inbreeding (or line breeding) with fish is not always a bad thing.

"it is also quite possible to inbreed a fish to enhance viability by purging recessive deleterious alleles from the population."

So if you are trying to maintain a wild stock cross breeding is importaint but take a look at fancy bettas and angels. A GOOD breeding program gets rid of defects with culls and careful selection.

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so now there are a bunch of imbread anglefish at your local fish store that are being sold? that sucks...

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