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56k warning~little help needed~

newly setup with zero life rit now~
still in water rearing stage~
i have 4x150=600watts of 14000k MH light (too bad the pendant only comes with 14000k bulbs)
can somebody please tell me just how much co2,nitrates,phosphate,iron, calcium, magnesium, and many other trace minerals should i dose per day?




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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old 09-15-2005, 05:32 AM Thread Starter
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a little more pics
o by the way, the tank is 5 feet long, 108 gallon~



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First thoughts. Ditch two of the lights. 5.55 watts per gallon on a tank that size is really a tremendous amount of light for a planted tank.

Second thought. Have you read my Guide? If not do so. If yes read it again.

Third thought. Where are your plants?
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I know that is a big tank, but five heaters? The tank set up looks great, but my god are you trying to be an algae farmer? hehe, as already stated get rid of two lights and that should bring you back down to normal. Also with something that large it would have been easier to plant with a third of the tank full otherwise you might be going swimming trying to reach the bottom.

Ummm what is that substrate? looks like that stuff for marine tanks, that is a no-no.

Also depending on what flora and fauna you decide on plays a small part in the way you dose. And also you should not ever fishless cycle a planted tank.

So what are you waiting for go get some plants!!!

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nice looking tank

(56K warning is probably appropriate here)

As far as co2 goes, you want 20-30 ppm for high light. Nitrates are good around 10-20 ppm I believe. Potassium around 20 ppm. Phosphates ~1ppm. Trace elements are tough, I would recommend reading Tom Barr's EI article as this gave me a better understanding of how to dose.

Typically people dose macros and micros on alternating days.

Substrate for planted tank should be AT LEAST 2" deep, up to 4".

Do I understand correctly that this is your first planted tank? If so, way to go all out! :P

Keep us posted!
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Are those screw-in MHs or the double-ended HQI bulbs? If it's double-ended, there are lower color temps available for 150W.

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yes, it is a double end hqi, but the 14000k bulbs came with the pendant when i bought it, so.... thats why i am using these 14000k bulbs... are they OK for planted tanks?
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yes, it is a double end hqi, but the 14000k bulbs came with the pendant when i bought it, so.... thats why i am using these 14000k bulbs... are they OK for planted tanks?

You sure did spend an awful lot on this whim purchase you made. Search around and get some ideas and info, you'll find the answers you are looking for and learn alot about planted tanks


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You sure did spend an awful lot on this whim purchase you made. Search around and get some ideas and info, you'll find the answers you are looking for and learn alot about planted tanks

nah, its ok, i bought these pendants for 60 bucks a peice in china~ we want WTO lol

including the ballast , the pendant and the bulb too! lol
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5 heaters, it's going to be tough to get them all dialed in, it wouldn't surprise me if only one ends up heating the tank. especially with them all on top of each other (i.e. one feels the heat from the other and shuts off). just a thought. I agree, ditch 2 lights or have the timed so that the most on at one time is 2 bulbs.


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why can't i have all of them on for shorter period of time per day? for example: only 6 hours of lighting /day?
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Some of my thoughts...

That looks like a very large, long tank (you didn't say how big). I would only ditch one light and go with three 150W metal halide pendants. One in the center and one on each end. Plants tend to be adaptable to multiple color temperatures, but I would try to go with 5500 or 6500 K bulbs if at all possible. Setting up the three pendants would require modifying the ceiling fixtures though.

Set the heaters up like the lights. One in the center and one on each end. Two is probably enough however... in which case one left center and one right center. They will all keep turning each other off when they are so close together like that.

The filter intake should be on one side of the tank and the output (spray bar) should be on the opposite side. It looks like you have a HOB (hang on back) filter on there as well.. that's good, put it tank center.

Read up on water chemistry. Some of my personal comments:

CO2 - Pressurized system, stays on constantly. Consists of CO2 tank, pressure regulator, and "reactor" plumbed inline between the cannister filter and spray bar. Most people use a needle valve and bubble counter to "see" how much CO2 is going in; I do one better and use a mass flow controller which keeps CO2 at the constant rate I set at all times with no fluctations.

Calcium & Magnesium - Does not need to be "dosed," it affects the water's hardness. It should be added in a 3:1 or 4:1 Calcium:Magnesium ratio at each water change to achieve the desired hardness.

Nitrates, phosphates, and traces can be dosed twice per week. You can increase nitrates by simply adding more fish, and the phosphates will also increase since you'll be adding more food.

I dose iron daily.. but I use Flourish Iron which is a weak complex that breaks down quickly.
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Lordy, with all of that MH lighting at your disposal, maybe you should consider doing a reef tank instead. Just a thought.


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Wow that is some nice equitment for a nice price . I dont have much of a comment on what to do but i am going to Hong Kong over christmas vacation so i was wondering if i could get some good deals there also and when i bring them back to the states would they work or would i have to rewire them?

P.S. I have that same remote control for my TV upstairs (the remote control in the middle on the first pic )
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Lordy, with all of that MH lighting at your disposal, maybe you should consider doing a reef tank instead. Just a thought.

i like planted tank more than reef~ reef tanks seem too remote to me, planted tanks look are more natrual as far as i am concerned
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