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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 07-25-2005, 04:17 AM Thread Starter
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It has finally pearled!!!!!!!!

This week marks week 1, that I will be dosing the EI method. After doing a 50% water change, and removing almost 30% of the algae in my tank, I dosed 1/18 of KNO3, 1/8 of KH2PO4, and 1/32 of K2SO4 and within 30minutes to an hour, the rotala indica, and java fern were pearling like a glass of champaign! The other plants were also pearling but not as much.

Dry ferts rock!
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glad to hear it.. I didn;t know proper fertilization could bring such quick results. What is the EI methoid you're talking about?? could you shed some light on the way you dose your ferts, how much, when, water changes, ect... Im a newb and would appreteate some advice on how to does fertilizers.
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The EI method is the Estimative Index that Tom Barr created, basically you dose more than usual and do large amounts of water changes.

I bought my dry ferts from www.gregwatson.com , I also bought measuring spoons so that it will be convient for me to dose. I take a small amount of water from the tank and dissolve and pour in each fert at a time.
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cool, I'll take a look at that "EI" methoid your talking about.. As for the ferts I was refering too, how do you know what ferts to add to existing water, and how much. Basicly I'm asking... How does one knoe how much macro nutrience and pottasium to add to the water. Nobody can have a test kits for every single minneral they add?
also, what test kits do you have on hand???

I only keep fert test kits for Nitrate and phosphate, what about you?
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You can use chuck gadd's dosing calculator. Link: http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_p...osage_calc.htm

My friend (Jason Baliban) helped me with mine.

When you are dosing the EI method, after the first few weeks you need to test the water after that, you can trash them! (j/k) in otherwards you won't need to use them. I have ammonia, ph, kh, nitriate, and nitrite, test kits. Kh and ph is used to measure the amount of co2 you have in your tank.
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I got the calculator, but it doesn't tell me how much to add, it only tells me how to change the ppm of ferts. If diffrent people have diffrent plant loads, they will need to add diffrent amounts of ferts right? so how do I know when to add more microse or potasium?? I know that there is a specific ppm, but without a test kit I might be doesing to much or not enough, depending on the plant load.
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Depends on how big your tank is, but overall the EI method is basically estimating the amount of ferts you think you should dose. KNO3 should be added more or equal to anything esle. You can get your help at www.tombarr.com or post your questions in the water parameters section.
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Doh, sorry about that. I gave a wrong link, thanks Shalu for posting it.
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I always get 'pearling' after a water change. Even my plastic plants start pearling .

Are your plants still pearling? Maybe it was only all the dissolved gasses in the new water.
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Hahaha, plastic plants? thats fake pearling LOL. Nutrients is basically what makes a plant pearl, allowing them to burst our oxygen.
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John, not to discourage you or anything, but pearling after a water change is not really pearling, let me explain. The water you pour in while doing the water change has oxygen itself, so when you pour it in your tank the plants seem to be pearling right after. You can take a look at the water before you pour it in your tank, it has a lot of bubbles. But who knows, my Riccia started pearling after every waterchange and eventually all of it started pearling at lights on not only at water change.
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It is not only nutrients that make a plant pearl, you need at least two things:

1. Light and nutrients: When the plants have enough nutrients and light, they produce oxygen as a byproduct of photosynthesis (sp?)

2. Oxygen saturation: If your water is not saturated with dissolved oxygen, the oxygen that the plants produce just dissolves, and you never see it. If your water is saturated, the oxygen can not dissolve, and forms bubbles.

The consequence of this is that if your water is for some reason saturated with oxygen, you will see lots of pearling, even if the plants are not working at full speed, and viceversa, you could have very healthy plants in an oxygen depleted water and see no pearling.
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John, not to discourage you or anything, but pearling after a water change is not really pearling, let me explain. The water you pour in while doing the water change has oxygen itself, so when you pour it in your tank the plants seem to be pearling right after. You can take a look at the water before you pour it in your tank, it has a lot of bubbles. But who knows, my Riccia started pearling after every waterchange and eventually all of it started pearling at lights on not only at water change.
Its both man, o2 from the water change and o2 satuarion from the dry ferts that were dosed.

For the fact, tommorow is another dosing day. If my plants pearl before lights out, I don't think you would still consider it as not really pearling.
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