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bio load too high?

I'm on the verge of buying 25 cherry shrimp for my ten gallon but I already have 4 blackphantoms, and one oto in there. I have one aqueon hob (the smallest model I think/ the one that is rated for 10 gallons) and I also have a finnex px-360 canister. the tank is heavily planted, moss,stems,ect. the thing that I'm worried about is that the ten gallon has a relatively small foot print. will this work out, or is the bio load too high?
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I see no problem, though baby shrimp will likely be food to the tetras. If heavily planted you're probably ok though.
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The baby shrimplets will become snacks for the tetra, but with enough hiding places your population can still grow. As for bioload, I dont think you are over the max for a 10 gallon. As long as you watch your nitrates since shrimp are sensitive to them. But cherries in general are pretty hardy. Just FYI, the aqueon filters have terrible biological capabilities so keep an eye on ammonia as well, honestly with 4 tetra in there I dont think you have anything to worry about. Any more fish and you might be over your max.
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There are several things that can make or break this situation if you add more load. One big one is how carefully you watch the tank. If you add fish and do some testing for ammonia as you go along, it will alert you before it reaches critical. Second thing that you CAN control is the way you feed. The fish don't add the load as much as the food we throw in that is often wasted. We almost always feed too much. Consider cutting your feeding like in half until you see how it goes. That will be a good way to avoid trouble. If you are feeding less and ammonia begins to creep in, then you need more filter or less fish. Things like this work out if we watch close and are ready to make it work.
I'm thinking you are okay but then I don't know how you care for your tank, either.
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There are several things that can make or break this situation if you add more load. One big one is how carefully you watch the tank. If you add fish and do some testing for ammonia as you go along, it will alert you before it reaches critical. Second thing that you CAN control is the way you feed. The fish don't add the load as much as the food we throw in that is often wasted. We almost always feed too much. Consider cutting your feeding like in half until you see how it goes. That will be a good way to avoid trouble. If you are feeding less and ammonia begins to creep in, then you need more filter or less fish. Things like this work out if we watch close and are ready to make it work.
I'm thinking you are okay but then I don't know how you care for your tank, either.
i do over feed because my tetras are still small and dont find the food when i dip my finger in ( i dont feed from top because i have had 2 tetras get swim bladder from that). i do 30% water changes every week though
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The baby shrimplets will become snacks for the tetra, but with enough hiding places your population can still grow. As for bioload, I dont think you are over the max for a 10 gallon. As long as you watch your nitrates since shrimp are sensitive to them. But cherries in general are pretty hardy. Just FYI, the aqueon filters have terrible biological capabilities so keep an eye on ammonia as well, honestly with 4 tetra in there I dont think you have anything to worry about. Any more fish and you might be over your max.
i do 30% water changes every week, is that enough?
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I'd say your tank is pretty conservatively stocked for a 10 gallon. 30% weekly water changes is enough.

I don't get why you're overfeeding and feeding by finger?

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I'm a little confused by the swim bladder item as well. I don't think of swim bladder problems as something due to feeding. But then that sounds like a whole different item.

A 30 % weekly should be plenty for that question.
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well the theory for the swim bladder thing is that if I leave the flakes on the surface of the water, the fish will swallow air when they eat, that's why I pinch the food in my fingers then dip my fingers in and un-pinch the food.
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well the theory for the swim bladder thing is that if I leave the flakes on the surface of the water, the fish will swallow air when they eat, that's why I pinch the food in my fingers then dip my fingers in and un-pinch the food.
That's how I feed my fish, too. It just works out better that way, anyway. Everyone has a chance to get some.

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Feeding from the surface isn't a problem, It will not effect the swim bladder or cause any issues with swallowing air.
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anyways, I decided to go with 10 shrimp instead because if they start to die, I wont lose too many. also, I think ese guys breed relatively easy right? I know you need enough hiding spaces blah blah blah but it's my first time having shrimp seriously ( only have had 2 ghost shrimp that died in the past because they were in the tank while it was cycling)
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Sounds prudent. When wading into something I'm not sure about, I feel better with going slow.

Side comment on the swim bladder? Not an expert on swim bladders but I have done some fish fillets and know where it is located. Normally there is just a thin membrane up near the dorsal fin separating an area from the rest of the fish inside. It is filled with air and helps to keep the fish upright. Kind of like a built in life jacket? I don't think there is any real connection outside of fluid passing through this membrane. Problems I associate with the swim bladder come when there is an infection filling this area with fluid or a puncture of it by a worm or such. I don't think there will be any connection between feeding and swim bladder faults.
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anyways, I decided to go with 10 shrimp instead because if they start to die, I wont lose too many. also, I think ese guys breed relatively easy right? I know you need enough hiding spaces blah blah blah but it's my first time having shrimp seriously ( only have had 2 ghost shrimp that died in the past because they were in the tank while it was cycling)
What shrimp? If you're trying to breed ghost shrimp then good luck buddy. If it's cherry or rili shrimp then they'll breed all the time for you.

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