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shrimp and cycling.

Ok im pretty sure i know the answer. But i just want to double check. You shouldnt put shrimp in the tank while it is cycling? Right? Its kinda the same as fish?


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I was told recently to wait about 2months for the tank to mature a bit.


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I have first hand experience on this. The answer is NO, shrimp are at least as sensitive as fish to ammonia.
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Ammonia and Nitrite are toxic to invertebrates, so they cannot be in your tank while cycling.

And the two month thing isn't so much a rule. It typically takes a solid month for a tank to complete a fishless cycle and that's often enough time for a nice biofilm and microcritters to grow in the tank. That's what shrimp thrive on. Many shrimpers, including myself, wait an additional couple weeks (prolonging the cycle, if you will) to make sure the tank is well matured.


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I might be wrong. But with specific shrimp substrate, mineral, and bacteria, you can put shrimps in a day or two.
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No you can't. Not with a fresh cycling tank. Shrimp are very sensitive to ammonia. Putting shrimp in will surely kill them
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If you use buffering substrate with the potential to leach ammonia or nitrates while it breaks down, the 2 month period is a necessity. Shrimp have a miniscule bioload in comparison to fish.

Contrary to this practice, I have placed shrimp (albeit only 3) in a 1.5 gallon tank within 3 days of putting eco complete (inert substrate) and several mature plants mated to a full spectrum desk lamp. They have since had babies and lived for several months until the summer heat cooked the tank. yes water changes were performed weekly in the 1.5 gallon tank.

If you have the attention to detail, the skill to keep on top of the water chemistry and the time to keep on top of the tank, then anything is possible. for the 99% of the folks just starting out with shrimp, Anything i just said is illadvised and you should wait the compulsory 2 months before adding any livestock.


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Like others said, shrimp are more delicate than fish so the answer is no. Don't rush it. Have plants in there and I like to add otos in there a few weeks after the tank is running (with mature biological filtration from another tank). Otos are good because they'll always be useful in the tank and never grow very large. A week or so later you can begin putting in other fauna - but if this is expensive fish and shrimps, I'd wait longer and make absolutely sure 0 nitrite and 0 ammonia. You can get away with 0-1.0 ammonia for otos (as I use ADA Amazonia substrate it leeches ammonia into the tank for a while) but I wouldn't try it on more delicate expensive fauna.
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Well i tested ammonia yesterday. Got a reading of 4 ppm. So dont think that will work


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Definitely not. They'll be dead by the next morning. You can always go buy the instant cycle stuff that API sells. Not sure exactly what it's called maybe someone else will chime in.

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Jerrmy i got some of that stuff. I added it. I also moved some plants around today so i did a water change.


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The only bacteria for the 'instant cycle' is Nitrospira. All other products are a waste of money.

If you do an instant cycle in an otherwise new tank (new filter, new substrate) with one of these products, I would still run the tank a while before adding expensive/delicate fauna. There are many other microorganisms that take time to mature.
The more things you bring from a well established, healthy tank the sooner you can add the delicate animals. Live plants that have been living under water with some fish will bring in the other microorganisms on their leaves, roots and stems. A cycled filter will have some of everything in the media. All these are a good start.

When in doubt: Wait. Let things mature.
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i plant to still cycle the tank just used the instant stuff to kinda help it along


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When in doubt: Wait. Let things mature.
This is sage advice. I once asked a commercial artist what one important lesson could sum up her years of experience working with various materials. Answer: "let it dry". In other words, do not rush things that are not to be rushed.

After weeks of pouring over various threads in this forum, especially the tank journals, I am concluding that a HUGE part of this hobby is exercising patience. A tiny portion of the journal threads are showing mature tanks that satisfy right now. Mostly we are blabbing our way through the stages of waiting.
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