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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 04-22-2012, 11:17 PM Thread Starter
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Thumbs down the standard newbie

i used to have an awesome planted tank until the heater blew out and killed everything including my first and favorite fish,which was an angel.
anyway that happened a long time ago probably 8 or 9 months earlier.
a month or so after the tank blew out i got it set up again. a few weeks later after the set up i got alot of vallisneria spiralis (alot), dwarf sags(alot), echinodorus parviflorus(3) and anubias nana( 2-3).
after a lot of trouble i lost 1/2 or so of the val alot of the dwarf sags, and a few leaves of the swords. I made a thread on another forum on 12/31/11.
after a little bit of help i stopped the plants dying(besides the vallisneria)
after some time i lost all the valls. i got 2 watersprite and 2 bunches of moneywort. i am messing around with dosing trying to get everything working. after 4 months of the thread on the other forum i still didnt get the tank working, and nobody was posting . i gave up on that forum and came here. the tank has very slow growth (besides water sprite) and everything is covered in algae(thread,hair,fuzz).


tank stats
light:48 watts t5ho
substrate:2.5 bags eco complete
29 gallon
dwarf sags(covered in algae, wont grow)
echinodorus parviflorus(wont grow)
anubias nana(a little bit of algae)
moneywort(wont grow roots, very annoying, cant touch it with out it uprooting, alittle algae, and some other stuff)
watersprite(grows well, alittle bit of algae)

note:the pictures dont show how bad it really looks


full tank shot(after getting moneywort and water sprite)


full tank shot(now)(cut moneywort, but cuttings not growing)


swords(not growing, new leaves super small, i added some root tabs, but still not working)


more pics coming in next post and current dosing schedule (3 dwarf sag pics, 1 moneywort)


ps just noticed the dwarf sags look like they have grown alot probably a 3
week's difference. but it still is covered in algae
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Question

the moneywort

dwarf sags covered in algae

dwarf sags again

last one for today i promise



and now for the dosing schedule(saturday and sunday already complete this week)
using flourish products
saturday:50% pwc, 3 caps excel, 1/2 cap flourish comp
sunday: 1 cap n, 1 cap p, 2 caps k (i also added 1/4 cap excel, which i didnt have planned before)
monday:1/4 cap excel,1/2 cap flourish comp
tuesday:1/4 cap excel, 1 cap n, 1 cap p, 1 cap k
wednesday:1/4 cap excel,1/2 cap flourish comp
thursday:1/4 cap excel,1 cap n, 1 cap p, 2 caps k
friday:1/4 cap excel, 1/2 cap flourish comp

also i want to mention this is not based on the beginner doses on the bottle it is based on how much I am adding in ppm.

for example flourish nitrogen: 1 cap is an 80 gallon dose, BUT calculated for a 25 gallon tank 1 cap is 3.49 ppm of nitrate added ( the tank is really 29 gallons, but water displacement)


so here are them calculated for 25 gallons

1 cap n=3.49ppm
1 cap p=o.24ppm
1 cap k=3.63ppm
1 ml iron( not using currently)=0.11 ppm
1/2 cap micros=?????, its the recommended dose
excel=????, im sticking roughly or under to the recommended doses


the question
im sorry for this being lenghty but i would appreciate some help to stop the algae and get better growth





ps-the lights are both 6500k
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ookay. the vals probably melted because of the excel dosing. they just really don't like it.
does your light fixture have a good reflector? if it does, according to this chart, then you have high light.
from what i can tell, you're not dosing CO2? with high light, and no CO2, plants will suffer and algae will gain the upper hand.
downgrade your light, cut your photoperiod (not sure how much good that would really do, though), or get CO2.
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Oops sorry, forgot to mention after the valls died I started dosing excel.

No I'm not doing co2 currently I guess I should then even though I don't want to( I will see if I can try bringing the lighting down or the co2 up with diy)The lights are current nova extremes.

Thanks alot for the help.
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too much light

turn off one of ur bulbs
and i personally hate excel. its either real c02 or less light for me. i've seen the stuff work i just believe if ur gonna go excel. just go less light

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It's one switch for 2 bulbs, so I can't do one bulb. I don't know how I would lower the lighting. If I took off the reflectors would it be too low?
On the par chart with the list of type of reflectors is for t5no, not t5ho.

Could you put t5no bulbs in a t5ho fixture? I doubt I can find any.(lights are 22" not 24")

I know I could raise up the fixture higher, but I wouldn't be able to get it much higher at all.


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Another vote here for adding pressurized co2 or raising the light higher up. I also realize that adding livestock should never be the answer for combatting algae, but 5-10 otos, some ghost shrimp, and/or snails (rams horn, Malaysian trumpet snails, or nerite) will go a LONG way in helping keep your algae under control.
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+1 on ottos/shrimp, +1 on some kind of CO2

DIY is better than nothing if you cant afford pressurized.


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With it being 29gal, DIY is very Doable..

+1 on the shimp but I'd go with the Amano Shimp and a few Trumpets. I love Nerites and well.

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The tank isn't cycled son I'm not adding anything.

Like I said before I really don't want to do diy co2. But since alot of you are talking about how I should use it........

........I just made one. I don't have the yeast and stuff yet.

So the thing has a two liter bottle that connects,with co2 resistant tubing, to a seachem bottle cut in half. It has a check valve at the end and the bottle acts as one of those glass bell diffuser things. However there currently is no gas separator or bubble counter.

I will not be using it yet.

Once again thanks for the help.
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Ok, I made it better today. It has a gas separator and diffuser, I messed up on cutting the tubing so there is no bubble counter. I can just count it coming out of the diffuser.
I want to use champagne yeast.
Anyway i have been researching and I found a couple things.

New questions
1)I heard if you don't let the mixture completely stop, you know when you see it slow down you can dump the liquid part(not the solid, you don't clean the bottle) and refill the sugar and water. Meaning you don't have to buy new yeast. Is this true, and would it work?

2)anything else I need to know?(I already know about running an airstone at night)

3) tips?


Ps the moneywort is doing worse , everything else is the same
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If you can't turn off one of the bulbs, take one bulb out of the fixture. Or you can cut some window screen to fit the top of your tank and that will cut the light intensity. Also cut your light duration down, like to 6 hours a day.
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Too much light and no co2. Drop a bulb, add co2 And your problems will likely fade.


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The light can't run with just 1 bulb.
I already said I'm doing co2.
Getting yeast probably Saturday.
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Got the yeast. Here is the mix I'm gonna try
2 cups sugar
1/2 teaspoon yeast
However much water at 80 degrees F to fill it 4" from the top of the bottle.

Question
The yeast came in packets and 1 pack is too much. Can I just put the extra yeast in a bag?
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