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HELP. I made my substrate too deep.

I finally have gotten most of my plants out of holding buckets and into my first ever actual aquarium.

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I wanted to give my crypt nouri and others enough depth, so I shot for 3 inches of substrate in the front, but wound up with more like four. Then I tried to create a sense of depth by gradually sloping up to the two back corners. I wound up with nine inches of substrate layers in the back two corners. Not knowing this was a bad thing, I proceeded to plant almost the whole tank, leaving space for only the driftwood that hasn't sunk yet and the plants that will go on and in front of it.

My wife would kill me if I took everything out and put them in buckets again.

Is there anything I can do to keep the substrate as it is? I have run a bubble tube under the back of the soil. I am using activated carbon in my two HOB filters, and I plan on poking holes in the substrate regularly.

Is there anything else I can do?
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the only time i think deep substrate can be bad if it becomes super anaerobic/low redox... but if you plant rooting plants like crypts there, i think not only are they gonna love it... but their roots will keep the substrate loose and aerated enough for long term success.

i know my crypts would love it

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I wouldn't worry about except the slope will eventually flatten out. You need some rocks to hold the slopes.


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Thanks for the input. Now I need to buy more crypts!

I have a 1 inch flat layer of MTS, then the slope in back created by a gradual increase from 0 to 5 inches of Flourite, then everything is covered by a uniform covered by 1 inch layer of PowerSand, and then all is covered by a uniform 2inch layer of AquaSoil originalAmazonia/New Amazonia (2011) mix.

Before I added the big rock I noticed a loss of slope gradually. The HUGE piece of driftwood that is current not waterlogged will eventually be a big wall on the other side in midground.
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This sounds obvious... if you want less substrate, get a cup and take it out. Your wife won't care.
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Time to set up another tank and use the gravel from existing tank The gravel looks like the gravel I have and should be fine if you want to leave it and plants will thrive in it.
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Hi mannie-I wouldn't worry about it too much, as stated above the only issue I could see would be anerobc pockets creating some toxic gasses. You could buy some MTS (snails) which would help keep the sand aerated if you were concerned.

Is this the tank you put the plants from me in? if so I would love to see some more pictures, maybe some close ups!
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and I have loads of MTS snails FS by the way.

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This sounds obvious... if you want less substrate, get a cup and take it out. Your wife won't care.
I wish I could do that simply. The problem is the layering. If I scooped out now, I would just be removing AquaSoil and leaving the Flourite layer.

I have a 1 inch flat layer of mineralized topsoil, then the slope in back created by a gradual increase from 0 to 5 inches of Flourite, then everything is covered by a uniform covered by 1 inch layer of PowerSand, and then all is covered by a uniform 1-inch layer of AquaSoil originalAmazonia/New Amazonia (2011) mix, and then the top is covered across the board with 1 inch of Aquasoil powder.

The issue with my wife, is that I have had the plants in buckets all over the kitchen for a couple of months now (I wanted to wait to plant the aquarium until we had the carpet replaced because I didn't want to displace the goldfish for a move, recycle the tank, etc.) so I waited, and waited, and waited. Oh, and killed a lot of nice plants in the meantime.

Now I feel like to get less depth, with all of these different materials in there, I would have to remove the plants and shrimp and start again from scratch.

I had to keep the plants in the finished part of the house because the basement and garage are both too cold. My wife would kill me if I started filling up the kitchen counters with buckets of plants again.
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and I have loads of MTS snails FS by the way.
Does MTS stand for Malaysian Trumpet Snails?

How do they get along with shrimp and with goldfish?

Are they the only kind of snails that aerate soil?

This sounds like a good idea. Do they uproot stems?

I have some little red hitch-hikers already.
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Is this the tank you put the plants from me in? if so I would love to see some more pictures, maybe some close ups!
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Thanks Matt. At this point, I don't remember from whom I got what, but yes, every single plant that I have obtained from a member here (that is still alive) is in that tank right now. It is my first and only tank ever. My wife can't believe I am getting into this hobby. I have a brown thumb when it comes to terrestrial plants and gardening.

I had one really nice crypt nurii motherplant that melted away and now all I have is roots. Can a plant of this type come back from just roots? Back when I had them in buckets I flooded them with too much light and didn't balance that out with CO2, etc, and lost many plants that way. Others are having trouble acclimating to my water specs, but some are thriving. I still need to find a good balance of photoperiod, though.

Now I need to read up regarding how to take better aquarium photographs.
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Thanks Matt. At this point, I don't remember from whom I got what, but yes, every single plant that I have obtained from a member here (that is still alive) is in that tank right now. It is my first and only tank ever. My wife can't believe I am getting into this hobby. I have a brown thumb when it comes to terrestrial plants and gardening.

I had one really nice crypt nurii motherplant that melted away and now all I have is roots. Can a plant of this type come back from just roots? Back when I had them in buckets I flooded them with too much light and didn't balance that out with CO2, etc, and lost many plants that way. Others are having trouble acclimating to my water specs, but some are thriving. I still need to find a good balance of photoperiod, though.

Now I need to read up regarding how to take better aquarium photographs.
Crypts will generally not respond well to moving, and will often melt away. However they will usually come back from what I have read. I wouldn't disturb it for a while and see. I think you got the h. difformis (wisteria) and a milfoil from me. Hopefully they made it alright!

Regarding photography, I have come a long way in that aspect. These two pictures are of the same tank:



Obviously the tank had grown out in between, but this works well as an example so I'm using these. The first thing I was doing wrong in the first picture was taking photo's during the day time. Since 99% of the time we are trying to photograph what inside the tank, there is no reason for the distraction of having the room lit. This also cuts down on reflections off the glass. Along with this concept, never use the flash. Compensate for the lower ambient with a longer shutter speed and a tripod (back of a chair in my case)

Another thing I've noticed makes a huge diference is the white balance settings. When they are off, the tank can look very yellow, or very blue. This makes for a bad picture, and I really struggled to figure this out. Eventually I found that my camera works best on AUTO white balance, but the same results could be gotten using a correct preset, or by calibrating with something pure white inside the tank and using that feature on your camera (if it has one)

The angle of the photo has also seemed to make a big difference. I find that second picture I posted to be my favorite angle/viewpoint, and pictures I take with that pose come out best more often than not. I find whole tank shots to be more appealing as well, not that close-ups should be ignore though!

Hope this helps, just passing along some info I have found/discovered.
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