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I just setup one of these about two hours ago and now I'm seeing some of the mix entering the tube. I know this is not normal, what might I have done wrong? I heard that if you have hard water you might want to skip the baking soda but I went ahead and put it in just in case. I am using the recipe anonapersona posted a while back.
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How far up did you fill the water?


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Might want to add an extra bottle in between the yeast bottle and the tank to catch mix entering the tube.

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I just setup one of these about two hours ago and now I'm seeing some of the mix entering the tube. I know this is not normal, what might I have done wrong? I heard that if you have hard water you might want to skip the baking soda but I went ahead and put it in just in case. I am using the recipe anonapersona posted a while back.
I set mine below the tank with a check valve to prevent water from flowing into the bottle. Also, I'd recommend positioning the ladder so that one side of the incline is actually level with the tank. That way, it helps prevent the bubbles from simply climbing right up the ladder and out into the atmosphere.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I also have a needle valve right near the bottle to help control the CO2 flow rate.
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DOOOHH, thats a great idea, I never thought of that. I did notice once before that after the yeast built up on the ladder the bubbles move much slower and dissolve to tiny tiny bubbles. I get the same co2 with a lower bubble count that way

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I filled the water right to the spot the directions said to. I'll try that suggestion k_the_c. I have another question. Before I noticed the liquid rising in the tube the Co2 output was great! I was getting at least 1 bubble a second. When i went to clean out the tube I unscrewed the cap and took a look inside. Now that i have it all hooked up again the output is dismal. What happened?
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It has to re-pressurize. It can take awhile. This also happens to me when I shake my mixtures.

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Allright I'll give it till morning to get back up to speed.
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It has to re-pressurize. It can take awhile. This also happens to me when I shake my mixtures.
I shook up mine initially, and it took about a week before I saw any CO2.
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Edit: Forgot to mention that I also have a needle valve right near the bottle to help control the CO2 flow rate.
How do you have the valve rigged - is it venting excess gas to the atmosphere, or is it restricting the flow out of the bottle (like a needle valve does in a pressurized CO2 system)?

If the latter you risk blowing up your generator bottle. Any home brewer from the days before pressure kegs will probably have a story of exploding bottles. Plastic shrapnel isn't as scarey as glass, but trying to clean the remnants of a beer geyser off the wallpaper is a crummy way to spend an afternoon.

At least yeast, sugar, and water mixes don't stain the way a Guinness type recipe does.

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How do you have the valve rigged - is it venting excess gas to the atmosphere, or is it restricting the flow out of the bottle (like a needle valve does in a pressurized CO2 system)?

If the latter you risk blowing up your generator bottle. Any home brewer from the days before pressure kegs will probably have a story of exploding bottles. Plastic shrapnel isn't as scarey as glass, but trying to clean the remnants of a beer geyser off the wallpaper is a crummy way to spend an afternoon.

At least yeast, sugar, and water mixes don't stain the way a Guinness type recipe does.
The Hagen bottle is pretty heavy duty, which is the main reason I spent money on it instead of building my own out of a soda bottle. The only thing the needle valve really does is slow down the number of bubbles so that there's not a steady stream going in and right out of my 10G.
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I was thinking of using a Danzka Vodka bottle(from my collection of course,hehe). It says it is a 100cl bottle, does anyone know what how to convert cl. It's made of metal and has a very thick cap to it. I know they come in bigger sizes than this.

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100 cl (centiliters) = 1 liter

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