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Mosquitoes in emersed tank - Carnivorous plants wanted.

I have a new 10 gallon emersed setup that doesn't have any water movement. I guess there was a mosquito somewhere along the way that laid some eggs in the water because now I have dozens of them buzzing around inside the tank. Thankfully I have a saran wrap cover that is keeping them from escaping into my house.

"yes", I know I can remove the existing mosquitoes, do a water change and add water movement to prevent this from happening again but... that's not as much fun as buying/trying a new plant

I'd like to add a carnivorous plant to my emersed collection, but I'm not sure I'll be able to keep one in there because of their requirements for low mineral content in the water. I do plan on fertilizing the water from time to time for the rest of the plants, and I'm certain that the top soil, peat, coconut coir, etc... that was used to plant my pots is leaking nutrients into the water as well.

Any ideas? Are there any carnivorous plants that will tolerate an emersed setup with occasional ferts or do they all require low TDS/minerals/salts?

Perhaps I could add a "self contained" pot with a carnivore in it and use better water just for that pot. Does such a contraption exist or should I just resort to using a smaller substrate pot within a larger water pot?

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Mosquito live from 4-14days depending on the species. So just leave the tank saran wrapped, Even if you find a plant that will work, the little blood suckers are just not going do a sit-stay and wait for you to put the plant in.

If you have other tanks you could raise the water leave just a little and drop in a hungry fish to eat the larval. Pull him back out when his job it done, Just a thought
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interesting, id like to know too!
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A sundew or butterwort would've been great, BUT they do need RO water or similar.

Perhaps a certain species of Nepenthes will do okay. I heard some of them can tolerate tap water as long it isn't too high in mineral. But many of them get fairly large and have temperature requirements (yeps thats right some like it warm and some like it cool).
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Most carnivorous plants wont do well with high humidity.
Are you planning on keeping the carnivorous plant in the emersed tank or just in the house, in hopes that it will catch them all?
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I'm not sure Nepenthes will do well in a submersed setup. I read somewhere they don't tolerate standing water as well as others.

I might just have to throw a TDS meter into my tank tomorrow and then run by Home Depot to see if they carry any generic Sundews or Butterworts I can experiment with. I'll do some more research before hand to see if any of these can adapt to constantly wet feet. Perhaps I'll have to modify a small pot to make this work.

I could always try some UG... will it grab squitoes?

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Most carnivorous plants wont do well with high humidity.
Are you planning on keeping the carnivorous plant in the emersed tank or just in the house, in hopes that it will catch them all?
Hoping to keep something in the tank if at all possible. I don't know if it is or isn't. That's where you folks come in handy... I know a few members here keep CPs... "Lego??? Ohhh Lego????"

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Ohh I thought it was gonna be in the emersed, and put it in own pot. I have a Nep. but I don't let it sit in standing water. I just killed one of my butterworts with tap water cuz I ran out of RO and too lazy to buy it.

CPs do like high humidity... it really depends on which species, somewhere between 50-90% is ideal to maintain leaf health and the production of the goo/nectar. I have to run a humidifier just for mine because I live in Colorado...

UG won't do a thing cuz the bladders are too tiny, it only can suck up tiny things like daphnia and copepod like bugs.


Dude, you're lucky to live in North Carolina, there should be a ton of native CP in your area! I would've loved to see CPs in their natural habitat.
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I'm trying something similar

It will involve lowering water level and using a suctioned non-emersed platform to have as base (similar to what's used for reptilian habitats). Currently have a v-trap, but will be getting a drosera, pitcher, and sundew soon.
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I'm sure there are others, but Bladderwort is the only aquatic plant I'm familiar with. Is similar to a moss in appearance and has little nodes on it that work kinda like venus fly traps. IDK that it would do anything with mosquito larvae, though. Even if it did manage to snag a few, I'm sure plenty would survive into their bloodthirsty adulthood lol





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Hoping to keep something in the tank if at all possible. I don't know if it is or isn't. That's where you folks come in handy... I know a few members here keep CPs... "Lego??? Ohhh Lego????"
I don't think in the tank will work for humidity reasons. You could do a Google search for humidity tolerant carnivorous plants, but everything I've read has shown that even the most humidity tolerant CP's wont tolerate anything as extreme as whats required to grow tropicals... Which is what I assume you are growing in your emersed setup.

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Ohh I thought it was gonna be in the emersed, and put it in own pot. I have a Nep. but I don't let it sit in standing water. I just killed one of my butterworts with tap water cuz I ran out of RO and too lazy to buy it.

CPs do like high humidity... it really depends on which species, somewhere between 50-90% is ideal to maintain leaf health and the production of the goo/nectar. I have to run a humidifier just for mine because I live in Colorado...

UG won't do a thing cuz the bladders are too tiny, it only can suck up tiny things like daphnia and copepod like bugs.


Dude, you're lucky to live in North Carolina, there should be a ton of native CP in your area! I would've loved to see CPs in their natural habitat.
I take it you mean ultricaria gibba and not graminofolia? U. Graminofolia cant even eat anything really, U. gibba is another story.

What species of carnivorous plants like high humidity? I cant think of any.
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Keep in mind that it is easy to reach +100% humidity, this is counterintuitive but for whatever reason, the humidity above a fishtank, or in a sealed terrarium, can easily reach over 100 percent, but this just means that water is precipitating out of the air at a rapid rate to try to get back down to below 100 percent.
50-90 percent humidity sounds humid, and it is as far as CP's are concerned, but its far drier than a sealed terrarium/aquarium, at 90 percent humidity, water is not going to condense on leaves and glass.

As for what CP's would be good vs mosquito's I would have to say that Drosera/Butterwort are going to be your best bet.. They are sticky and can catch insects regardless of size.
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Keep in mind that it is easy to reach +100% humidity, this is counterintuitive but for whatever reason, the humidity above a fishtank, or in a sealed terrarium, can easily reach over 100 percent, but this just means that water is precipitating out of the air at a rapid rate to try to get back down to below 100 percent.
50-90 percent humidity sounds humid, and it is as far as CP's are concerned, but its far drier than a sealed terrarium/aquarium, at 90 percent humidity, water is not going to condense on leaves and glass.

As for what CP's would be good vs mosquito's I would have to say that Drosera/Butterwort are going to be your best bet.. They are sticky and can catch insects regardless of size.
You should have explained what you personally meant by high humidity. Here I was thinking you were absolutely crazy when I kept saying that high humidity means 50-90% and that you couldn't think of any CPs that didn't like high humidity.

100+% should be considered extremely high humidity
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You should have explained what you personally meant by high humidity. Here I was thinking you were absolutely crazy when I kept saying that high humidity means 50-90% and that you couldn't think of any CPs that didn't like high humidity.

100+% should be considered extremely high humidity
Yea you're right haha
A quick google search will produce that 50-90 percent is good for CP's but a tropical plant terrarium is easily over 100 percent because evaporation exceeds condensation.
Even simply putting your carnivorous plant on a shelf above or very close to an aquarium will usually prove too humid.
They can tolerate high humidity as in, 50-90% but the need fairly dry substrate, mold and fungus is a huge killer of carnivorous plants.
But its a matter of finding the ideal plant for your situation.
I still stand by what I said earlier; a carnivorous plant in an emersed tropicals tank, be it in the soil or suspended in a planter suction cupped to the glass, probably wont make it.
Im not greatly experienced in the carnivorous plant area but I've done a lot of research.

edit: again, keep in mind your average air conditioned room is 40-60 percent humidity and CP's do just fine in this humidity with an occasional misting, I'd even venture to say this would be preferable to an environment with constant 80 percent humidity that requires no misting.
Low humidity will prevent molds provided that humans are their to intervene when conditions get too dry.
Also, there is specific humidity and relative humidity and I'm not brushed up on the difference between the two.
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