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On Saturday I set up a new 5 gallon tank, i took filter media out of my Eheim filter on my 40 gallon and put it in the new filter on the new tank, I also used gravel from a previously setup tank. After testing my water parameters 4 days later it showed that ammonia is 0, nitrite is 0 and nitrate is less than 10. Is is possible that it is ready for shrimp already or should i wait a bit longer?
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It's possible it's cycled but why risk it? Add some ammonia and see if it clears in a day.

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It's possible it's cycled but why risk it? Add some ammonia and see if it clears in a day.

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What is a good source of ammonia to add?
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Just make sure it's pure ammonia with no fragrances or surfactants. You can typically get "janitorial strength" ammonia from hardware stores that works; should be around 10% concentration. Use any of the various aquarium ammonia calculators you can find on the internet to determine how much ammonia you need to add in order to reach the desired concentration.

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I have found it at Ace Hardware. Besides the ingredients listed you should be able to shake the bottle and no bubbles show up in the liquid.

Is this a planted tank?
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Like everyone here is saying, you can get some diluted ammonia that's used for cleaning. If you put a couple of drops in, test the water you should see a couple ppm of ammonia. Then testing again tomorrow to see if the ammonia goes to 0.

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Probably fine for small fish load but shrimp need biofilm to feed on and it takes longer than 4 days for that to develop.
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If you want reasonably pure ammonia, you can add ammonium chloride, which is not too hard to come by. Lately I've used ammonium alum to keep my quarantine tank "ticking over", mostly because I have an old bottle on hand from when my wife was thinking about doing some pickling.
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It is somewhat planted, it has a few patches of monte carlo to spread and some rotala indica in the back, Ill go grab some ammonia today. Maybe i could add some fish from my main tank as a way of testing? I've got 3 pearl gourami, 6 neons, 2 SAE, 2 Peppered corys and 6 Bristlenose cats.
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I've 'instant cycled' for years by rinsing/cleaning a sponge from a healthy established tank in the new tank water. It's always worked for me. I just don't overload the new system with stock right away allowing the new tank to stabilize with a few fish at a time.
Sponge from a healthy tank is every bit as good, or likely better than bacteria in a bottle.
Also, for shrimp, and with plants the amount of ammonia created has to be extremely small.
Now if you need algae and/or biofilm as a food source for shrimp, that's another story.

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I've 'instant cycled' for years by rinsing/cleaning a sponge from a healthy established tank in the new tank water. It's always worked for me. I just don't overload the new system with stock right away allowing the new tank to stabilize with a few fish at a time.
Sponge from a healthy tank is every bit as good, or likely better than bacteria in a bottle.
Also, for shrimp, and with plants the amount of ammonia created has to be extremely small.
Now if you need algae and/or biofilm as a food source for shrimp, that's another story.
What would you recommend to quickly make a biofilm in the tank?
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If you've taken media out of a running filter and put it into a new tank that tank is in fact cycled. What you have done is give en a 100% water change. Bio isn't in the water it's in the filter media and to a lesser extent the gravel.
Other methods of doing the same instant cycling is to run your new filter on an established tank for a spell. Transfer to the new tank and you're good to go.
I have a different situation. I am on untreated well water. I want a new tank I grab an empty one, add water and I am off and running. Been doing that for decades. Couldn't do that when I lived in NYS though. County water and chlorine.

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What would you recommend to quickly make a biofilm in the tank?
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if you want to be extra safe, buy some tetra safe start and dump a good amount in, this will add beneficial bacterial, I have used this for a few months and it is amazing.
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On Saturday I set up a new 5 gallon tank, i took filter media out of my Eheim filter on my 40 gallon and put it in the new filter on the new tank, I also used gravel from a previously setup tank. After testing my water parameters 4 days later it showed that ammonia is 0, nitrite is 0 and nitrate is less than 10. Is is possible that it is ready for shrimp already or should i wait a bit longer?
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I wouldn't risk it yet, shrimp like stable TDS and mature water, if you have plants they will uptake ammonia and you may not be balanced yet.
What kind of shrimp are you planning on adding?

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On Saturday I set up a new 5 gallon tank, i took filter media out of my Eheim filter on my 40 gallon and put it in the new filter on the new tank, I also used gravel from a previously setup tank. After testing my water parameters 4 days later it showed that ammonia is 0, nitrite is 0 and nitrate is less than 10. Is is possible that it is ready for shrimp already or should i wait a bit longer?
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I wouldn't risk it yet, shrimp like stable TDS and mature water, if you have plants they will uptake ammonia and you may not be balanced yet.
What kind of shrimp are you planning on adding?

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On Saturday I set up a new 5 gallon tank, i took filter media out of my Eheim filter on my 40 gallon and put it in the new filter on the new tank, I also used gravel from a previously setup tank. After testing my water parameters 4 days later it showed that ammonia is 0, nitrite is 0 and nitrate is less than 10. Is is possible that it is ready for shrimp already or should i wait a bit longer?
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I wouldn't risk it yet, shrimp like stable TDS and mature water, if you have plants they will uptake ammonia and you may not be balanced yet.
What kind of shrimp are you planning on adding?

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On Saturday I set up a new 5 gallon tank, i took filter media out of my Eheim filter on my 40 gallon and put it in the new filter on the new tank, I also used gravel from a previously setup tank. After testing my water parameters 4 days later it showed that ammonia is 0, nitrite is 0 and nitrate is less than 10. Is is possible that it is ready for shrimp already or should i wait a bit longer?
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I wouldn't risk it yet, shrimp like stable TDS and mature water, if you have plants they will uptake ammonia and you may not be balanced yet.
What kind of shrimp are you planning on adding?

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On Saturday I set up a new 5 gallon tank, i took filter media out of my Eheim filter on my 40 gallon and put it in the new filter on the new tank, I also used gravel from a previously setup tank. After testing my water parameters 4 days later it showed that ammonia is 0, nitrite is 0 and nitrate is less than 10. Is is possible that it is ready for shrimp already or should i wait a bit longer?
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I wouldn't risk it yet, shrimp like stable TDS and mature water, if you have plants they will uptake ammonia and you may not be balanced yet.
What kind of shrimp are you planning on adding?

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On Saturday I set up a new 5 gallon tank, i took filter media out of my Eheim filter on my 40 gallon and put it in the new filter on the new tank, I also used gravel from a previously setup tank. After testing my water parameters 4 days later it showed that ammonia is 0, nitrite is 0 and nitrate is less than 10. Is is possible that it is ready for shrimp already or should i wait a bit longer?
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I wouldn't risk it yet, shrimp like stable TDS and mature water, if you have plants they will uptake ammonia and you may not be balanced yet.
What kind of shrimp are you planning on adding?


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