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Upgrading from 10 to 29 cycling question



Update! Tank is up and running (March, 26)!!!

If I'm using all the substrate, plants, wood, and filter media from my 10, would it be okay to put the fish into the 29 the same day I set it up? Doing a partial WC every day wouldn't be a problem. Thanks for any help!

Scenario #2: same as above except new substrate, what would change?

My issue is space, if I'd need to cycle the tank for a while, keeping the fish in the bare-bottom 10 is going to be tricky. Here's a little more information, since I'm sure it might be helpful. I have fluorite and I plan to use that as a base substrate layer in the 29, adding a top layer of pea gravel, or something cory friendly. I'd obviously upgrade a larger hob filter that I'd seed with current media.



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I would say you will be fine . I have done similar a few times with great success . I would monitor ammonia , nitrites , nitrates for a week or more to make sure the tank is indeed cycled . Let us know what you decide to do and how it goes .
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I 100% agree with the above comment. You will be just fine
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Thanks for the replies, I'm not sure when it will happen. I'm still budgeting out and trying to find the right equipment.



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+1 - You'll be fine! When you think of it, you're just increasing the water so cycling is not an issue. The only potential problem would be a dramatic change in water quality and how that may affect the fish. That is to say that if your 10g was suffering from old tank syndrome, moving the fish abruptly into fresh water may be an issue. Otherwise, you should be fine.

Just make sure the water is properly dechlorinated and at the appropriate temperature.
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So, I'm not so sure I want to keep the fluorite. It is around 10 years old, and mixing substrates has never worked for me. I feel confident in trying sand, now that I actually know what I'm doing.

What would change if I did everything the same, but with new substrate?

I could put a large sponge pre-filter in the 10 a few weeks before and add it to the new tank as well. I really don't want to have both tanks up and running at the same time for long, but of course I will wait and do tests if I have to.

Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it. This 10 gallon tank is about as old as I am! I have had 5 gallons, but nothing larger, so a change like this has me planning before any steps are taken.



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Well you potentially lose any BB that was in the substrate and this could be substantial in an established tank. But you did say you're moving all the filter media, but w/o the substrate, perhaps not all the BB. Go for it, but watch for any ammonia spike and be prepared to do one or more water changes and/or dose with Prime to temporarily (24-48 hrs.) neutralize any ammonia or nitrites.
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Well you potentially lose any BB that was in the substrate and this could be substantial in an established tank. But you did say you're moving all the filter media, but w/o the substrate, perhaps not all the BB. Go for it, but watch for any ammonia spike and be prepared to do one or more water changes and/or dose with Prime to temporarily (24-48 hrs.) neutralize any ammonia or nitrites.
I'm wondering if it would make any difference to move some of the flourite into the new tank in some kind of shallow dish to sit on top of the sand for a week to retain some of that BB and allow it to grow in the sand? Just had the thought while reading. Of course this could be messy and result in some of the fluorite ending up in the sand when moving the dish in and out (at 10 years old I'm guessing it's broken down into a lot of fine particles).

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I've done this upgrading a 26g to a 40g. I used all new substrate, new driftwood/plants and new water. Just brought over one large anubias from the old tank. Transferred the fish the same day and I ran the original filter with all of its media along with a new larger filter for a few months and didn't add any additional fish. All stock was fine - no losses.
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I'm wondering if it would make any difference to move some of the flourite into the new tank in some kind of shallow dish to sit on top of the sand for a week to retain some of that BB and allow it to grow in the sand? Just had the thought while reading. Of course this could be messy and result in some of the fluorite ending up in the sand when moving the dish in and out (at 10 years old I'm guessing it's broken down into a lot of fine particles).
I wouldn't bother . May just make a mess . Don't overthink this....lol All will be fine . Just do tests to make sure and relax...lol
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I'm wondering if it would make any difference to move some of the flourite into the new tank (at 10 years old I'm guessing it's broken down into a lot of fine particles).
The flourite looks like nearly new condition, surprisingly.

Tuesday is the day! I'm doing a blackout until then to kill off access algae. Feeding the fish a ton as well so in the new tank I can keep it to a minimum for a few days.
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It took a while, but the new aquarium is up and running! I can't believe I had all these plants in my 10! I trimmed the Bacopa, didn't even use each stem. I tossed about 1/4 of the pygmy chain sword, and still had enough for the foreground! Treated myself to a canister filter instead of an HOB with all my overtime lately. I put all my filter media from the hob into the empty layer (didn't use the carbon). The light is coming in tomorrow, and the heater the next day. I picked up some biological booster just to ensure the cycling goes smoothly. Should I add a little each day or just leave the initial dose and be done with it? Thanks for everyone's help! Now its time to get the tank journal ready to go.
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So post a picture of the 10 gallon now so we can have a before and after. Looks good though.
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So post a picture of the 10 gallon now so we can have a before and after. Looks good though.
Oops, my bad! I started a tank journal with a picture of the 10 the day before its retirement. Added it in the above post as well.



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