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are ther eany subsitutes??

im having a BBA breakout in my tnak and i need some flourish excel
no retailers within 40 miles carry it
so i was wondering can is their a substitute for it?
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im having a BBA breakout in my tnak and i need some flourish excel
no retailers within 40 miles carry it
so i was wondering can is their a substitute for it?
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Or you could give H202 a try. Spot dose it on the algae itself with a syringe.
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But let me put it that way
You are eradicating the efefct not the cause
You have a filtering problem there and probably an lack of oxygen imo. Try to overfilter - not in turnover but in filter material volume
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h202 (hydrogen peroxide) for temporary relief
probably less light or more co2 for longterm solution
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poor co2 is the problem

h2o2 works awesome. i use it all the time for lots of stuff
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But let me put it that way
You are eradicating the efefct not the cause
You have a filtering problem there and probably an lack of oxygen imo. Try to overfilter - not in turnover but in filter material volume
Easycarbo is not readily available in the US.

How is it that you would conclude that adding MORE filter material would increase oxygen? It would do little more than slow the flow. Bacteria produce co2, not oxygen.

BBA is usually from poor co2 distribution(flow), too little co2, and too much light.
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even fluctuating co2. doing large water changes can cause it in a non co2 injected tank
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my tank is co2 injected, i have a diy co2 paintball at about 1 bps
i do the EI method but havent been keeping up with water changes and dosing excel like i should
i would dose h2o2 but i have shrimp
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what kind of shrimp?

i've used h202 at 1ml per gallon without any casualties with rcs and tiger shrimp.
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Cidex is the other alternative to Excel.
I'm currently paying $12.56 for 5L.

A controlled over dose of Excel will kill the algae, but it won't change the conditions that started and sustained the algae. You have to fix that, or you'll be back where you started in a month or three.
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i have red cherry shrimp
and i wanna introduce crs
i had som casualties for some reason so i didnt want to up the co2
this bba is getting real ugly
could it be my lighting?
i have a 48watt fixture over 10 gallons
on like 7 hours a day
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lighting has a direct affect over how much co2 that your plants are using. not enough/poor/ or fluctuating co2 is the main culprit. if you cant supply enough co2 safely than you should lower the intensity of your lights or raise them a little higher off of the tank
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...BBA is usually from poor co2 distribution(flow), too little co2, and too much light.
Well you could have great co2 distribution/levels and low light it doesn't mean you won't have BBA. The plant mass still has to be there for it to have an effect. Not every tank is heavily planted. It's always better to hit it from both sides by removing organics by using organic removal media, more water changes, less feeding/stocking, etc. and at the same time make sure your co2 is good and reduce light duration.
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Well you could have great co2 distribution/levels and low light it doesn't mean you won't have BBA. The plant mass still has to be there for it to have an effect. Not every tank is heavily planted. It's always better to hit it from both sides by removing organics by using organic removal media, more water changes, less feeding/stocking, etc. and at the same time make sure your co2 is good and reduce light duration.

acually more water changes tend to cause bba. fresh tap water has lots of co2 in it. so doing a lot of water changes will make the co2 levels raise when you do the change and then drop. it's the fluctuations that get you
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