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Dosing dry start with eco complete

I'm about to dry start my 65g office tank using Lilaeopsis 'mauritius' and a few crypts now that I'm back from a much needed Christmas vacation. Lilaeopsis arrives friday, and I'll try to find a few crypts locally.

My question is about dosing this during the dry start. Since eco isn't soil, I will need to get some ferts to the plants. What's my best option? I was thinking of putting some osmocote in the substrate before planting. I'm not sure if this is the best approach or not though. I'm also not sure how much or what kind of osmocote to use.

Advice would really be appreciated.
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Nobody? Alrighty then. Guess I'll just wing it.
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ecocomplete has plenty of nutrients in it

you wont need to add ferts while doing a DSM just add enough water to come to the substrate surface and with proper lighting...it will take care of itself

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I thought eco was just a high CEC substrate and didn't actually have nutrients in it?
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You are correct in that EcoComplete does not have lots of nutrients, but a high CEC.

You can mist a very dilute solution of fertilizers, or use substrate fertilizers, as you have already mentioned.

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http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.co...fm?pcatid=9087
http://www.petco.com/product/111998/...Substrate.aspx

what? it says it has all the nutrients needed right on the bag...granted it will deplete over time...but ALL substrates do that if you dont have another source of adding nutrients back

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It also says this:

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Nitrate and carbonate free
I think it has traces in it, but not macros (other than K). Someone more knowledgeable might chime in though.
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...if air about 78% nitrogen and .0033% CO2 (~300ppm) ...it will be fine

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Most plants can't fix atmospheric nitrogen. Legumes are a notable exception. They have symbiotic bacteria that allows them to fix nitrogen from the air. As far as I know, none of the aquatic plants we keep can do this.
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I ended up putting about 5 teaspoons of osmocote plus about 1" deep in the substrate for the 65g tank. We'll see how it goes! Lilaeopsis goes in tomorrow.
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I ended up putting about 5 teaspoons of osmocote plus about 1" deep in the substrate for the 65g tank.
So how is it going? Any ammonia problems?
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So far so good. I'm not sure how I'd tell if I had ammonia problems on a dry start. Tomorrow will be 1 week since planting. I'll be keeping this thread up to date with weekly progression shots.
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Ammonia wouldn't be a problem in a dry start anyway, the plants like it and it will build bacteria that will eventually turn it into nitrate, which plants like also.


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