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Exclamation HELP!! Cycled filter stopped working :(

Hello,
This isn't really a planted tank specific question, but hoping some of you may have suggestions on what to do.


I recently acquired a 55 gallon tank. When I picked it up, the previous owner said I'd probably need to replace one or both of the filters sooner than later - it came with 2 HOB filters.

One of them stopped working within a few days of taking the tank, so I ordered an Eheim Canister 2224-37 right away. It came last Wednesday and I hooked it up on Christmas Eve day... so it's been running for about 4 days.

Well, sometime between yesterday morning after I left for work and this morning when I woke up, the second HOB filter stopped working.

Since there was no water being pumped, the sponge was pretty much dried up... only slightly moist at the bottom of it, sitting in a small pool of water & fish waste... so probably no live bacteria left on the sponge.

Not sure what exactly to do now...

Tested the ammonia this morning, and it was just around 1ppm. I do use AmQuel Plus to dechlorinate tap water, which also binds ammonia up to about 1.7ppm, so hopefully the fish will be okay until I get home

I assume there are still some "ammonia/nitrite eating bacteria" in the gravel (but vaccumed it on xmas), so guessing that it's not enough to keep ammonia levels from rising further while the bacteria colonies build back up in the Eheim, as well as the new filter I plan to buy today.


When I first got the tank it was stocked with about 90 inches of fish (including 4x 12-14 inch plecos and an 8 inch bala shark... YIKES!) .
Over the past week, I have rehomed the larger fish and added a few smaller ones. It is currently stocked with approx 48 inches of fish. [3 Angelfish, 6 Cories (Loxozonus), 5 Glass Cats, 6 Cardinal Tetras, 1 Dwarf Gourami, 1 Indian Glassfish]. All the fish appeared to be acting 'normal' as of this morning.

Should I add an ammonia binding product such as API Ammo-Lock or Stress-Zyme? Some other product? I've never used any of these products before and the online reviews seem to be mixed.

I do also have pennywort floating in the tank... hoping this will help a bit too with keeping levels in check. I am also thinking I should change at least 5 gallons of water daily until this "re-cycle" has completed. Too much or not enough... thoughts?

This is a situation I've never encountered before, so THANK YOU for any help you have to offer.
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I would do large, 75-80%, water changes daily and vaccum up as much waste as possible each time. The old filter media might still be good so I'd throw it in the tank. It can't hurt IMO. Hopefully the pennywort will help keep your nitrates down.

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I would do large, 75-80%, water changes daily and vaccum up as much waste as possible each time. The old filter media might still be good so I'd throw it in the tank. It can't hurt IMO. Hopefully the pennywort will help keep your nitrates down.

Good luck!

Yikes... change 40 gallons per day? If that's what it's gonna take, I guess I'll be buying a few more 5 gallon water jugs

Thanks for the advice!
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Agreed! Or get an adapter for your faucet to connect a garden hose. Much cheaper than a python.


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The python (or similar product) sounds like a real time saver!

So as far as refilling the tank, is there some sort of add-on where dechlorinator can be added/mixed with tap water BEFORE it gets to the tank? I'd hate to risk any chlorine killing whatever bacteria may be left in the gravel Or is that something I shouldn't worry about? Thanks again!
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People have different methods, but adding Prime (or another readily available dechlor) before, during, or after the refill, or all 3, will work fine. Folks will say to use as much as is necessary for the amount you fill, twice that much, or enough for the entire tank. Again, all methods work fine. Not a big deal. Nor is the temperature difference between tank water and added water, though with a 50%+ water change, you might want to add some hot water to the mix. Basically, be careful if you like, but honestly you'd have to try really hard to screw it up
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So as far as refilling the tank, is there some sort of add-on where dechlorinator can be added/mixed with tap water BEFORE it gets to the tank? I'd hate to risk any chlorine killing whatever bacteria may be left in the gravel Or is that something I shouldn't worry about? Thanks again!
if your using prime, I wouldnt worry about the chlorine killing your bacteria in your gravel. I add prime enough to dose my whole tank as I start my fill on my waterchange and I do 50% every week. hasnt failed me yet. prime is extremley reactive so it works super fast.

and gravel vaccing your gravel doesn't remove bacteria as such. the gravel is coated in biofilm (a layer of bacteria) which you would be hard pressed to get off with a pressure washer. only the bacteria that are attached to the mulm (waste) will get removed. and thats not a major loss persay.

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Should I add an ammonia binding product such as API Ammo-Lock or Stress-Zyme? Some other product? I've never used any of these products before and the online reviews seem to be mixed.


~Catherine
Stick with prime, dont double up and use stress zyme (nasty stuff anyway) or another ammolocker with prime. just stick with prime it can be used up to 5x the normal dose if your starting to expirience ammonia spiking. prime and water changes should get you through.

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Thank you everyone! I really appreciate the feedback

And now I have a game plan to get through this aweful situation.

Hope you all have a great New Year!!
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