Adding plants before capping dirt - The Planted Tank Forum
 1Likes
  • 2 Post By nel
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-20-2017, 08:25 PM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Idaho
Posts: 23
Adding plants before capping dirt

I'm setting up a dirted 30 gallon tank. I had tremendous success with my test 5 gallon tank and so now confident to go bigger. All the threads and other sources say to cap the dirt before adding plants. If I add enough dirt to make it muddy with some water pooling why not add the plants first and then cap it. I'm capping with pebbles that are about 2 to 4mm. With either approach I have to add and drain water a few times. Is there a reason to cap before planting? Seems to me it's 6 or 1/2 dozen, but NO thread says to cap after planting.

Thanks.
fishhappy is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-20-2017, 10:48 PM
Planted Tank Guru
 
Maryland Guppy's Avatar
 
PTrader: (15/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Arnold
Posts: 3,682
2-4mm is not a very tight cap.
Much will be able to leach from the soil.

What type of soil?


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Growing is not that difficult.
Maryland Guppy is offline  
post #3 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-20-2017, 11:43 PM
Wannabe Guru
 
psalm18.2's Avatar
 
PTrader: (7/100%)
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: NH
Posts: 1,781
Adding the plants before the cap makes a muddy mess. Less muddy when cap is in first. I've done it both ways.
psalm18.2 is offline  
 
post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-21-2017, 03:11 AM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Idaho
Posts: 23
I figured that was the reason, but it's counter-intuitive since I add very little water initially. I'll stick to the general advice and plant after cap. Thanks.
fishhappy is offline  
post #5 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-21-2017, 03:42 AM
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
JusticeBeaver's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 373
If you're carpeting with monte carlo you can lay the stocks flat before the final couple of mm of sand. Roots will grow out of the nodes and should help you carpet a little bit faster.
JusticeBeaver is offline  
post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-21-2017, 05:06 AM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Idaho
Posts: 23
I was wondering about the carpet plants. That's a great idea. Thanks.
fishhappy is offline  
post #7 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-21-2017, 11:49 AM
nel
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
nel's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Poland
Posts: 745
Don't use those 2-4 mm pebbles, fine sand is a way to go. You would need TON of those pebbles to make it work without much leaching. By ton I mean something like 4-5 inches at least. Using gravel is one of the reasons why people say "dirted tanks don't work at all! They are only algae factories!". With really fine sand even 1 inch cap may work.
Bananableps and Bananableps like this.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- 120x48x60 cm

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- 30x30x30 cm + 30x30x20 cm,
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- 33x21x22 cm
nel is offline  
post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-21-2017, 04:53 PM
Wannabe Guru
 
Bananableps's Avatar
 
PTrader: (1/100%)
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: New York City
Posts: 1,169
Some people make gravel work but I agree: it's a more difficult way to go.

I have tried planting before adding the cap and it's just a complete mess. You'll end up burying some plants by accident, and in trying to save them you may end up ruining your sand cap. Planting through the cap is quick, easy, and mess-free; why improve an already painless, effective technique? The one exception where it might make sense to plant as you describe is for plants that already have very extensive roots, like large swords or crypts that are already a few years old. Sometimes I have a little trouble getting all all of the roots of older transplants down into the cap, but I still do it because the thought of carefully adding the cap around a plant stresses me out too much.

Last edited by Bananableps; 12-22-2017 at 03:13 PM. Reason: "grave"->"gravel"
Bananableps is offline  
post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-21-2017, 05:31 PM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Idaho
Posts: 23
You just addressed my conflict, which I didn't realize was my conflict. My swords and a few others are more established and have larger roots so they were harder to plant after the cap on my test tank. This is why I was considering capping after. I'm going to take the more supported approach and cap after. Thank you!

Bump: I mean cap before
fishhappy is offline  
Reply

Tags
None

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Planted Tank Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome