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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 07-30-2017, 04:42 PM Thread Starter
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Increase CO2 with Plant mass

Hello Users...

It's been a while since a post in here but thought I'd ask likely an obvious question...

As my plant mass increases I.e more and more plants should I increase the CO2 levels?

I don't see my baby tears pearling all that much anymore and growth is slowed so figured this may be why.

I dose as per EI and plenty of circulation in the tank for CO2 distribution. All though my 70mm Bazooker diffuser is well hidden behind the plants at the back of the tank in the middle.

My drop checker is normally green/yellow at 6.2 bubbles per second on a 240litre tank.

However I have just change the drop checker fluid after 4 months no change and intent to move it to the other side of the tank once it changes colour.

Any advice welcome.

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Yes, as the overall plant mass increases, more CO2 and nutrients are consumed. Also flow becomes less efficient as plant groups get taller and thicker.

Think of the aquarium like a catered party with food and drinks, and a staff of attendants to serve everyone.

The tank is the room where the party takes place.

CO2 and nutrients are the food and drinks

Flow is the staff on duty, whose job it is to make sure everyone is served well.

The plants represent all the guests present.

Let's say the party was originally planned to have 100 guests. There is enough food and drinks for 100 people, and plenty of staff to make sure nobody's glass is empty.

Everything is groovy until somebody tweets a pic showing how much fun they're having, and before you know it 300 people more people show up.

Now all of a sudden, there's not enough food to go around (co2 and nutrients), the room is uncomfortably crowded (plants), and to make matters worse, there's not enough staff to serve everyone (flow)

Ideally you want to have enough CO2, nutrients and flow to accommodate the highest level of biomass the tank ever sees. This is easier said than done. And it's also why a good trim and thinning out can often solve often any number of issues.


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That was an awesome explanation!


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Yes, as the overall plant mass increases, more CO2 and nutrients are consumed. Also flow becomes less efficient as plant groups get taller and thicker.

Think of the aquarium like a catered party with food and drinks, and a staff of attendants to serve everyone.

The tank is the room where the party takes place.

CO2 and nutrients are the food and drinks

Flow is the staff on duty, whose job it is to make sure everyone is served well.

The plants represent all the guests present.

Let's say the party was originally planned to have 100 guests. There is enough food and drinks for 100 people, and plenty of staff to make sure nobody's glass is empty.

Everything is groovy until somebody tweets a pic showing how much fun they're having, and before you know it 300 people more people show up.

Now all of a sudden, there's not enough food to go around (co2 and nutrients), the room is uncomfortably crowded (plants), and to make matters worse, there's not enough staff to serve everyone (flow)

Ideally you want to have enough CO2, nutrients and flow to accommodate the highest level of biomass the tank ever sees. This is easier said than done. And it's also why a good trim and thinning out can often solve often any number of issues.


That was a fantastic explanation.

I have trimmed some plants reposition outlets for better circulations... however worried about increasing CO2 much further in case it will effect the fish.


See latest pic with plants trimmed. I did have a full HC carpet once but then I got ich and had to increase temp and treat with meds which killed it off. It's growing back now and it's spreading out but want more pearling and think it's down to CO2.




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That's a nice tank. I'm in the planning (and sorta setting up) phase of an aquarium, and something like yours, with a good balance of plants and hardscape, is what I'm shooting for. Hope you don't mind if I use this pic for inspiration.
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Lovely tank. HC carpets never get old.


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Ok lessons learned... well still trying to fix the problem with glue and tape until the new CO2 tubing arrives.

So it turns out after buying a new atomizer that it wasn't this. There was a leak in the CO2 tube... not sure how long it's been leaking for maybe a week or so. Also not sure how dangerous that is anyone know?

Anyway no leak now and new atomizer on just need to order some new CO2 tubing.

I've probably wasted loads of CO2 also so will need to get some refills.


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Lovely tank. HC carpets never get old.


Thanks. It's about a year old but lost all my carpet when tank got white spot. The heat killed most of it but it's starting to grow back.


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That's a good lookin tank. What size is it? And what light?

Its interesting, in two shots your apisto's are congregated on the left side. What's going on over there that have them interested? I just latched onto apisto's today, so this is fairly good timing....I read that they like subdued light, but obviously you have enough to carpet HC. They don't seem to be bothered by it?


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Love the tank!

What light do you have and what is your substrate?

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That's a good lookin tank. What size is it? And what light?



Its interesting, in two shots your apisto's are congregated on the left side. What's going on over there that have them interested? I just latched onto apisto's today, so this is fairly good timing....I read that they like subdued light, but obviously you have enough to carpet HC. They don't seem to be bothered by it?


They swim up and down prob just down to chance.

I have too many Apisto check my other posts with vids. Loads hatched just like yours I had 3 originally 2 female and 1 male. Now I have about 16 which is far too many.

It's 240 litre tank and I upgraded the lights diy. It is a fluval Roma 240 that came with 2x T8 but I also added 2xT5 so it has 4 bulbs now.

Watch the mother protect the fry it's quite fun. After about 8 weeks though she will turn on them and they will fend for themselves.



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Love the tank!

What light do you have and what is your substrate?

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The substrate is ADA aqua soil and slot of it. I'll try and find the picture when it arrived for you Bradley


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Did some trimming and rearranging of plants










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