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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 07-28-2017, 04:51 PM Thread Starter
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I have a 20 gallon low tech planted tank. On the substrate fish poop, plant matter, and detritus fill up. This doesn't create a nutrient or algae problem because my plants eat it all up but it is very unsighty. Most of the fish and plants I have like slow currents and increasing the filter will kill my fry, shrimp and shrimplets. I was thinking that mts can bury the gunk . Or can something eat it?
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Just siphon it off the top of the substrate.

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Just siphon it off the top of the substrate.
That is what I have been doing but it always comes back. I also don't want to siphon every day.
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You could try Seachem Pristine, I've had a little success with it

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Do you have a picture? Sounds like maybe your plants are not growing well, and are wilting and decomposing.

If you're doing regular water changes, you should not have that much fish waste. And, you shouldn't have to siphon every day.

How hig is your tank, and what kind of filtration do you have?
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P.S. MTS are NOT the answer, and frankly, I don't buy the argument that they aerate substrate. They take over is what they do.
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Do you have a picture? Sounds like maybe your plants are not growing well, and are wilting and decomposing.

If you're doing regular water changes, you should not have that much fish waste. And, you shouldn't have to siphon every day.

How hig is your tank, and what kind of filtration do you have?
Itvis a 20 gallon high. I do 25% water changes every week and use pps pro. My plants are doing really well. My swords grow new leave often but also the leaves die often. Probably because I didn't use any root tabs. I have a tetra whisper internal filter 20.

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When it comes to excess fish waste I have to ask if you're feeding high quality food. Many of the foods today have fishmeal with copious amounts of grains as filler/binder. This filler/binder goes right through fish with little nutrient absorption. Check your label(s) and make sure the ingredients lists fish products 1st.
note: Way back when I switched to high quality foods, I noticed an amazing difference in the amount of fish waste - believe it or not!
Although I think MTS are extremely beneficial, and they will cleanup uneaten food, I'm uncertain about fish waste....perhaps.
BTW, in contrast to a previous post since MTS burrow in the substrate, they do aerate and deposit plant usable nutrients.
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When it comes to excess fish waste I have to ask if you're feeding high quality food. Many of the foods today have fishmeal with copious amounts of grains as filler/binder. This filler/binder goes right through fish with little nutrient absorption. Check your label(s) and make sure the ingredients lists fish products 1st.
note: Way back when I switched to high quality foods, I noticed an amazing difference in the amount of fish waste - believe it or not!
Although I think MTS are extremely beneficial, and they will cleanup uneaten food, I'm uncertain about fish waste....perhaps.
BTW, in contrast to a previous post since MTS burrow in the substrate, they do aerate and deposit plant usable nutrients.
The fish food I use has krill, whitefish, salmon, and spirulina. Th 2/3 of the waste come from the bristlenose pleco
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You need to clear the dying leaves out before the deteriorate. The sword leaves and the plant behind it (aponogetom?) have brown dying leaves. Clip them and remove them. They're making the plant weaker and turning into deitrus. Some of the brown parts of the leaves are already missing and most likely resting on your substrate.
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The fish food I use has krill, whitefish, salmon, and spirulina. Th 2/3 of the waste come from the bristlenose pleco
But are the ingredients you mention listed first in the ingredient list?
Often foods list grains as the primary ingredient followed by fishmeal or fish products or fish byproducts. Fish in the wild don't eat grains making it an unnatural food for them.

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That tank looks fine. No unusual levels of detritus that I can see. No tank is pristine.

If you get antsy at the sight of detritus in your tank, I doubt you will like the look of a million MTS crawling in your tank. They don't keep in check like other snails. I don't care what anyone says; I've never seen a tank with MTS that wasn't infested. Ramshorn snail populations stay in check.

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But are the ingredients you mention listed first in the ingredient list?
Often foods list grains as the primary ingredient followed by fishmeal or fish products or fish byproducts. Fish in the wild don't eat grains making it an unnatural food for them.
Any recommends on high quality flakes? Or other high quality food? I use Aqueon flakes and Hikari sinking algae wafers.

Aqueon lists whole wheat flour, soybean meal, wheat gluten meal, wheat germ, & dried yeast. Is this what you mean by it's low quality?

I notice I have a significant amount of fish crap myself after a few days. I only feed 2 pinches once a day in a 75g with about 30 fish it in.
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Any recommends on high quality flakes? Or other high quality food? I use Aqueon flakes and Hikari sinking algae wafers.

Aqueon lists whole wheat flour, soybean meal, wheat gluten meal, wheat germ, & dried yeast. Is this what you mean by it's low quality?

I notice I have a significant amount of fish crap myself after a few days. I only feed 2 pinches once a day in a 75g with about 30 fish it in.
That aqueon stuff is crap. I use Omega One, and don't have a ton of detritus. Hikari and NLS are high quality foods
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