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best substrate for carpetting plants

I'm planning out my next tank and I would like to get a carpet of HC or glosso. What is the best type of substrate for these plants to root in? I've tried HC with Flourite and it's terrible. I would like something a little bigger than sand, maybe 2-3 mm particles.

1) Does anyone have experience with Eco-complete or other substrates that would like to chime in?

2) How large are flourite sand or onyx sand particles?

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Flourite sand (what I use) is a little bigger than pool filter sand. HC works well with it. I have grown HC fine in (normal) Flourite too, but it is indeed a pain.

ADA Aquasoil is also one of the best substrates for HC/Glosso.

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Flourite sand (what I use) is a little bigger than pool filter sand. HC works well with it. I have grown HC fine in (normal) Flourite too, but it is indeed a pain.

ADA Aquasoil is also one of the best substrates for HC/Glosso.
Yeah I would have to agree that's the best if you can afford it.
I was also looking at the flourite black sand for my next tank.
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I ordered mine 3 days ago and the order hasn't been processed yet... im about to cancel and just get eco complete...
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I put $250 worth of eco-complete in my 129 planted....everything grows like crazy...only failure (and I am trying again next week) was to get a complete carpet of glosso....for some reason the glosso would not take off....the tank was new then, now it is about 2 years old.

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I have only used Florite as it is the only good substrate that is easy to get locally (well, you can get Aquasoil too but it was too pricey when I started my tank). I have used the Red, Black, and Black sand, as well as regular gravel and regular sand. The Red has the biggest sized grain, the black is smaller and the sand is a bit bigger than regular sand. All have done well.

The only real advantage of a finer substrate is it can be easier to trim as you can "feel" where the substrate is with the scissors more easily. With a larger size, you often get one piece sticking up. It is also easier to accidentally pull it up with something fine though.

I will say that it carpets easily with anything listed and will look the same as well. If you are having trouble growing it, it is probably not the substrate.

One more tip. If you are buying it in a pot locally, put it in your tank for a bit before you plant. Let it adapt and then break it up after a week. HC is not exactly fragile IMO, or hard to grow, but when it dies, it dies hard. I have had HC do terrible in a tank, get more and does great. Now that I have my own supply, it just always works, hence letting it transition to your tank.

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If you are having trouble growing it, it is probably not the substrate.
Yeah, the HC might just not be getting enough light because it appeared to be getting kinda leggy and brown. I guess I was having trouble getting it rooted in the substrate as well since it kept floating back up. I was planting about 1 cm x 1 cm chunks at a time. Right now I just have a couple chunks of it floating around the tank. They are pretty mottled with some parts a nice green and some parts a dead looking brown.

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I'm planning out my next tank and I would like to get a carpet of HC or glosso. What is the best type of substrate for these plants to root in? I've tried HC with Flourite and it's terrible. I would like something a little bigger than sand, maybe 2-3 mm particles.

1) Does anyone have experience with Eco-complete or other substrates that would like to chime in?

2) How large are flourite sand or onyx sand particles?

Thanks!

I use Eco-Complete without any Root Tabs, just DIY CO2, Flourish liquid fertilizers, and plenty of light. EC works well, as long as the other requirements are met. Break the HC into individual medium length stems and use a tweezer to jab them moderately deep into EC. It will be a few months before you get the carpet you want, so add patience to your list of ingredients.

If you want to see my tank and how it all started please visit my thread!

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