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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 01-20-2017, 09:09 PM Thread Starter
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Hi! Hopefully I'm posting this in the right place because I'm new here.

We have a 10 gallon freshwater aqaurium that just killed a few fish due to pesky Ich. The parasite clearly came from PetSmart when we brought in 3 new neon tetra to add to our collection of the other 3 tetra (totaling 6). The ich ended up killing 4/6 tetra and 2 betta fish (NO, they weren't living died so we got a replacement not knowing what killed the first, and the 2nd betta then died).

After going to Petco, where we've had great customer service, I asked the aqaurium specialist about ich. He gave me Kordon Ich Attack. He said to remove the filter insert (but keep the filter running otherwise) and add the daily recommended dose to the tank for 5 weeks.

My question is...can I do a complete water change weekly like I was? The tank is getting funky after only 3 days and despite the fact that the Petco guy said it would turn gross that it's ok. I feel like if I'm adding a daily medication then I should be able to take everything out tomorrow morning before I put the ich stuff in, clean it, put all new conditioned water in, then the med.

Also I should add that we know *now* to quarantine new fish before adding them to the tank. No one told me this and I honestely didn't know. We won't be adding back any fish for about 3 months from now.
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post #2 of 4 (permalink) Old 01-21-2017, 04:09 PM
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Good lord, 5 weeks is a long time. So you have 2 neons left?
I'd just turn the temp up to about 80, and see what happens. It should have you ich clear in about 10 days or so.

I don't wish to admonish you, but don't do small numbers of fish that naturally school in great numbers.

Here is a small excerpt from an article with a writer whose opinions I agree with 100%, but he says things in a nicer way than me.

Having shoals that are too small
Some fish are destined to do badly by virtue of being constantly nervous. Shoaling fish are gregarious by nature, and their whole life cycle may depend on their interactions with others.
In the wild, barbs and tetras may live in shoals of hundreds at a time. In those shoals will be complex hierarchies, social ties and breeding opportunities. When kept as three individuals in a tank, all of this innate social programming is redundant.

That could mean shy fish, hidden away, refusing to eat and slowly starving. Or in the case of others it may lead to fin nipping, as fish try to interact with different species as they would their own kind.

Always buy as many of one kind of shoaling fish as you can afford or accommodate. Mixed shoals, and the pick-and-mix option might be great for bags of Haribo, but this approach won’t work with sensitive animals.
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I used Kordon Ich attack and it worked for me. I used it in the morning and at night for about 2-3 weeks and didnt have one casualty. When the ich is gone I would still dose for another week. The ich parasite can only be terminated when it is swimming and not attached. I still did water changed weekly, sometimes two.
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Not to muddy the water but they may be some important stuff missing in the discussion. Ich is one of the really easy things in the hobby, both to get and to spot once you have it. So with that in mind, I will go with it being the right disease but from there are hints that there may be other things going wrong.
Some info on how the fish react and how they die may help pin down some things that I'm guessing at right now. I think of ich as progressing really fast for covering fish but pretty slow at actually killing fish.
Pardon me if this guess is totally off base?
What I'm reading between the lines might make me think there is more a problem with the tank and the cycle killing fish as much as the ich.
Pretty new at this and maybe not really into some of the small points? Things like taking things out and cleaning it all make me think the good bacteria may be missing or killed. Newish tanks, less than 6-8 months old, tend to be somewhat "fragile" when speaking of disrupting the bacteria so I really go careful on new tanks and don't clean them very much so that the bacteria are able to fully settle in on all parts of the tank as well as the filter.
Ich may be killing/damaging the fish but in some cases, ammonia and nitrite are the real problems if one is not aware.
Got any info on tests, etc?
I would recommend using the directions on the med as the info at shops is sometimes very weak. Wish you luck and not trying to add headaches.
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