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Unhappy Beginner creates a 10G monster - please send help

I'm a couple months into my first nano (not my first tank but it's been so long that it might as well be) and things are going bad. I've basically created an algae farm for at least 3 different kinds of algae, and none of my root plants are growing. At this point, I don't even know if this is fixable, or if I should rip everything out and try again. HELP!

The aquarium is a 10 gal with dwarf baby tears in the foreground, monte carlo in the back left, and java moss on the rocks. The dbt are 95% dead, the mc hasn't grown much at all, and the java moss is pretty happy.

To make a long story short, I tried to get by on as little as possible without really understanding my tank's needs while learning how to balance everything on the fly. The result is a disaster.

I've been incrementally improving my setup each time I think I've figured out what the problem is (buying better lights, injecting CO2, buying ferts) , but nothing has panned out so far. I'm trying to encourage plant growth while killing off algae (varying day lengths, adding CO2, dosing more ferts, etc...) but I have not hit the right balance. Is it even possible at this stage to save the dwarf baby tears while killing off the algae?

Specs (as of last week):
10 gal
Lighting: Finnex planted+ 20" & some cheap amazon thing (Nicrew) 10h/day
pH ~5-6
dKh <1
gH ~1
CO2 @ 1 bps
75 F
Dosing Flourish 1ml every 2-3 days

Previous specs:
10 gal
Lighting: Finnex planted+ 20" & some cheap amazon thing (Nicrew)14h/day
pH ~5-6
dKh <1
gH ~1
CO2 @ 1 bubble every ~10 seconds
78 F
Dosing Flourish 1ml every week
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I would lower your photo period to at least 8, as for the algae try using hydrogen peroxide on the algae during water changes (worked for me) not sure why everything is randomly dieing off though, are you doing your water changes the same ? Same lights ? Same CO2 setup ?
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careful though with the Hydrogen peroxide as it can kill java fern easily
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Well to start if you're only dosing Flourish, that's not enough. Spend $20 and buy a set of dry fertilizers to cover your micros and macros. You also probably have way too much light as the Planted+ should be plenty enough light for a 10g. Last but not least your co2 levels need a bump, 1 bps per 10 seconds is very little.

If it were me I'd tear it all out and start from scratch.

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I would lower your photo period to at least 8, as for the algae try using hydrogen peroxide on the algae during water changes (worked for me) not sure why everything is randomly dieing off though, are you doing your water changes the same ? Same lights ? Same CO2 setup ?
Lights have changed considerably. I started off with one of the cheap amazon LED arrays (Nicrew), doubled it a couple weeks later, then finally got a Finnex when I realized how bad the cheap ones were. The CO2 has been much lower than it is now. Water changes are like 20% every week and a half although I'm not super regular with them (ammonia is very low).

That said, all the previous changes have been in place for about 2 weeks and I'm still seeing slow but tank-wide death. I'm at a loss. Good to know about the H2O2, I'll give it a shot. Not too concerned about the java moss, that stuff grows like a pest.

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Well to start if you're only dosing Flourish, that's not enough. Spend $20 and buy a set of dry fertilizers to cover your micros and macros. You also probably have way too much light as the Planted+ should be plenty enough light for a 10g. Last but not least your co2 levels need a bump, 1 bps per 10 seconds is very little.

If it were me I'd tear it all out and start from scratch.
I'll look into the dry ferts and get some once I decide whether or not to tear everything out, but what strikes me as odd is that I'm not supporting a huge plant-mass so I assumed I'd be ok with Flourish and Amazonia substrate (at least for a while).

I'll also remove the extra lamp I have on there, you're probably right about the Finnex being enough.

The CO2 @ 1 bubble every 10 seconds is from a while ago, it's currently running at 1 bubble per second. Do I need to go higher? I've looked at the dKh vs pH charts for CO2 and it seems like I'm sitting in the right range... except for the part where everything is dead.
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Lights have changed considerably. I started off with one of the cheap amazon LED arrays (Nicrew), doubled it a couple weeks later, then finally got a Finnex when I realized how bad the cheap ones were. The CO2 has been much lower than it is now. Water changes are like 20% every week and a half although I'm not super regular with them (ammonia is very low).

That said, all the previous changes have been in place for about 2 weeks and I'm still seeing slow but tank-wide death. I'm at a loss. Good to know about the H2O2, I'll give it a shot. Not too concerned about the java moss, that stuff grows like a pest.



I'll look into the dry ferts and get some once I decide whether or not to tear everything out, but what strikes me as odd is that I'm not supporting a huge plant-mass so I assumed I'd be ok with Flourish and Amazonia substrate (at least for a while).

I'll also remove the extra lamp I have on there, you're probably right about the Finnex being enough.

The CO2 @ 1 bubble every 10 seconds is from a while ago, it's currently running at 1 bubble per second. Do I need to go higher? I've looked at the dKh vs pH charts for CO2 and it seems like I'm sitting in the right range... except for the part where everything is dead.
Don't worry about the charts, just aim for a 1 point ph drop. To my knowledge Flourish is basically just micros, so you aren't dosing any macros.

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Don't worry about the charts, just aim for a 1 point ph drop. To my knowledge Flourish is basically just micros, so you aren't dosing any macros.
Cool, thanks. I'll get some Green Leaf Aquarium ferts once I get back from the holidays and start doing the individual dosing myself.
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Cool, thanks. I'll get some Green Leaf Aquarium ferts once I get back from the holidays and start doing the individual dosing myself.
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Your GH and KH are really low, you probably should not only add fertilizers, but some mineralizer too. Plants need some magnesium and calcium.
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What do you have for livestock?(fish) It doesnt seem like their are many. IMO just setup a small quarantine tank (a bucket will work ) for any fish. Crank up your co2 to at least 2 BBS, downgrade your lights for a while or go to 6 hour photo period, and dose some ferts like they said already.

Do a 50% water change to start it off, spray the crap out of your plants with hydrogen peroxide and do it in the morning !!!!!!

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Your GH and KH are really low, you probably should not only add fertilizers, but some mineralizer too. Plants need some magnesium and calcium.
Yeahhh, the water here is softer than a baby's butt. I have a block of limestone in the back behind the big rock to help with the buffering. It's helped bring up the pH from below 5 and the gH to above one. If I'm going to change my fert routine, I could also start adding mineralizer to the water, though.

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I'll check these out then, thanks for the recommendation!

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What do you have for livestock?(fish) It doesnt seem like their are many. IMO just setup a small quarantine tank (a bucket will work ) for any fish. Crank up your co2 to at least 2 BBS, downgrade your lights for a while or go to 6 hour photo period, and dose some ferts like they said already.

Do a 50% water change to start it off, spray the crap out of your plants with hydrogen peroxide and do it in the morning !!!!!!
This is one area I decided not to mess up: I was setting this tank up for shrimp but wanted to let it settle for a long time before adding adding any livestock so I don't have to worry about hurting anyone (except for some unhappy snails).

I pulled 50% of the water last night, sprayed everything with H2O2, filled it up again, and dosed some Flourish because that's what I have on hand (I heard H2O2 can make certain minerals unavailable). I've shortened the photo period to 8 hours, as per nel's recommendation (but I'll go lower for the next couple days), so all I need to do is bump up CO2 for a bit and I'm on track! Thanks for the tips, fingers crossed.
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Yeahhh, the water here is softer than a baby's butt. I have a block of limestone in the back behind the big rock to help with the buffering. It's helped bring up the pH from below 5 and the gH to above one. If I'm going to change my fert routine, I could also start adding mineralizer to the water, though.



I'll check these out then, thanks for the recommendation!



This is one area I decided not to mess up: I was setting this tank up for shrimp but wanted to let it settle for a long time before adding adding any livestock so I don't have to worry about hurting anyone (except for some unhappy snails).

I pulled 50% of the water last night, sprayed everything with H2O2, filled it up again, and dosed some Flourish because that's what I have on hand (I heard H2O2 can make certain minerals unavailable). I've shortened the photo period to 8 hours, as per nel's recommendation (but I'll go lower for the next couple days), so all I need to do is bump up CO2 for a bit and I'm on track! Thanks for the tips, fingers crossed.
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as for the algae try using hydrogen peroxide on the algae during water changes (worked for me)
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H2o2 kill dwarf baby tears.
Mini update:

I did a H2O2 treatment and it's been about a day and a half.

One of the algae strains in the tank has been nuked (sort of a green algae muck spreading along the floor), but the two others (hair algae and some other, whiter, goopier hair-like algae) are still thriving.

The dwarf baby tears also look worse for the wear, but at this point I'll be happy if I can get rid of the algae at the cost of the dbt (since buying more and replanting is probably faster than recovery anyway).

Not sure if I should continue with H2O2, either the dosage was too low for the other algae or they are just not going to be affected.

Thoughts?

(I'm including pictures, one of the whole tank and one of the patch where the mucky algae has been defeated. Small victories!)
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This is most likely cheaper and you'd be supporting a forum member.

I just ordered NilocG's Thrive, should get here before Christmas.
I figure I'll get individual dry ferts once I've figured out the balance on the rest of the tank.
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