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Help! New Tank! 20 Gallon Long [Need Advice]

Hi guys,

I'm semi-new to this forum, I have been PMing and asking specifics from some people but I decided making a thread might be a bit easier to follow.

I'm moving to college next year (UCSD) and I want to start up a new 20 gallon long. I have had 8 tanks in the past ranging from 5 gallons to 55 gallons, and I have mainly dealt with African Cichlids. Now I am interested in freshwater plants and tropical fish (more for aesthetics than anything). I had fun with cichlids but the constant breeding and selling of fish became too much for me to handle.

So I have already decided on a glass 20 gallon long tank. Now I need help understanding how to start and maintain a tank for these specific fish and plants: L144 Blue Eyed Yellow Bristlenose Pleco (1), Neon Tetras (6-8), Cherry Shrimp (8-10), Blyxa Japonica (or something similar that will grow taller so I can run it along the back of the tank), and Dwarf Hair Grass.

I want to keep the tank simple since it is my first experience with plants. Also I want the tank to look similar to the one in this thread here. With the DHG in the foreground and the Japonica (or something that grows taller) in the back. I will also be getting a few small river rocks for the middle ground in the tank. I know I need driftwood for the pleco so I will get a piece of that as well.

With my current stock list I just need to know what kind and how much lighting I need, what filtration would be sufficient (maybe even over filter it since I would rather be safe than sorry), and how to run my CO2 system (I don't know much about CO2 yet).


EDIT: Also I have been referred to this website for lighting, does anyone else think this would be a good idea? Should I run my tank as an open top? If so how would I hang my lighting above it?
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Bump, 43 views and still no advice? Come on guys!
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Welcome to the forum!

A pressurized co2 system would be best for DHG, so i'd invest in a good system if i were you. In most cases, DHG in low-tech tanks seems to rot. It sounds like you're wanting to go the high-tech route, which gives you a lot more flexibility in your plant selection.

Here's a few helpful links/videos about pressurized co2 systems:
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Information about the parts of a Co2 System

For filtration, have you looked into Eheim classic canister filters? A 2215 or 2217 would probably work well in a 20 gallon. Over-filtration is always a good thing, so maybe the 2217? There's a few people on this forum who've used that model in 20 gallons i think, and i remember the only issue being that the flow is pretty strong. You could always get a valve to control the flow.

Quite a few options for lighting... with co2 you can have a very bright light.
Check out the Catalina Aquarium webpage. I've heard a lot of great things about their lights. You can also look into fishneedit light fixtures, but the reviews on them are kinda iffy...

Hope this helps.
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Thanks I really appreciate it, I have also been reading up on CO2 systems, and I will be going ahead and using a pressurized system. How big of a canister should I buy for a 20 gallon. My budget for the CO2 is preferably under 100-120
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Thanks I really appreciate it, I have also been reading up on CO2 systems, and I will be going ahead and using a pressurized system. How big of a canister should I buy for a 20 gallon. My budget for the CO2 is preferably under 100-120
I would pick up the Eheim 2217 Classic Canister filter if i were you. You can get them new (with media included) for around $150, which is a great deal for such an amazing filter. They used to sell for around $90 a few months ago, but i'm not sure why the price was jacked up so high... maybe they stopped manufacturing them?

Eheim Filter 2217- Plus Kit (Bigalsonline.com)

You can probably get a nice co2 setup for around $120, but you're going to have to do some searching to find some good deals.
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I have a 20g long with this light on it:

http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS...lestriplight30

This tank has been set up 3 months, I haven't seen any algae yet, and the plants are growing, slowly. I don't think I would use a T5HO on such a shallow tank. I use excel on this tank, it works nicely.
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By excel do you mean flourish excel the additive?
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yes, liquid carbon
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I would pick up the Eheim 2217 Classic Canister filter if i were you. You can get them new (with media included) for around $150, which is a great deal for such an amazing filter. They used to sell for around $90 a few months ago, but i'm not sure why the price was jacked up so high... maybe they stopped manufacturing them?

Eheim Filter 2217- Plus Kit (Bigalsonline.com)

You can probably get a nice co2 setup for around $120, but you're going to have to do some searching to find some good deals.
Why would I need such a heavy duty filter for such a small tank? Don't those usually power tanks up to 100 gallons?!
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