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post #16 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-08-2020, 03:10 AM
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This forum is still a living, thriving community. It may have lost some members to social media-- but, that doesn't mean it has lost its value.
Agreed.

I am on several FB forums. If someone reaches out to me personaly, I direct them here.

A planted tank requires a more in depth nuanced discussion than what you can get there.

I feel sorry for folks who ask questions and get a barrage of nonsense from folks who are just repeating what they have read.

And more importantly, it's the sense of community that you mentioned. I consider many here to be my friends, and I look forward to hearing from them and following their journeys.


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post #17 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-08-2020, 02:47 PM
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I'm wondering if age doesn't play a huge role in which format people are most comfortable using. I have a feeling if we took a survey, a large percentage of the folks here would be an older demographic than the groups using FB etc.
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I'm wondering if age doesn't play a huge role in which format people are most comfortable using. I have a feeling if we took a survey, a large percentage of the folks here would be an older demographic than the groups using FB etc.
This could be true. The younger generation has grown up in a far different world than I did.

And I say that without judgement as to which is "better"-- change is necessary to the times. And, in the end, if that change doesn't provide a generation with what they need ( in this case, the means to communicate effectively) they either go back or move forward to something else.
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I don't consider myself a "kid" at 25, but I'm sure some would. I'm also very comfortable with social media so participate both here and on groups on Facebook. This forum isn't dead by any means, but groups on social media do tend to be a little more lively.

As previously said, information on here can be more accurate, I think due to a few factors:
a) Most users on here have more experience whereas many of the groups on social media are flooded with beginners (some more open to reason than others)
b) There's more space for detailed discussion
c) Threads are easier to follow, which encourages those who care about the subject to post more, which encourages dedicated hobbyists etc.

I guess it's down to the individual whether they'd prefer to wait a while for more accurate information or maybe a challenging discussion, or whether they'd prefer to have a barrage of information very quickly but much of that may well be completely false. That said, I cannot praise the admins in one of my FB groups enough as they have an incredible amount of knowledge, dedication, and patience, whereas some of the advice I see on here makes me wince and there are certain topics I just completely avoid. I still much prefer this site over all though

Essentially, there's pros and cons to both types of forum in my personal opinion, but it's not as clear cut as one being better than the other and it doesn't just come down to age.

Edited to add: There's actually a lot of older people in the facebook groups I frequent. Some are brilliantly helpful and knowledgeable. Some defend horrendous fishkeeping with the excuse "I've been doing it for years."
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One thing I have noticed are people who joined the forum 5-10 years ago and have just a few posts are now starting/restarting tanks and posting again. Life gets in the way and now it has again, but with the opposite effect.

Many of these "newbies" are also restarting threads that they don't at first realize are from the Bush era


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a) Most users on here have more experience whereas many of the groups on social media are flooded with beginners (some more open to reason than others)
b) There's more space for detailed discussion
c) Threads are easier to follow, which encourages those who care about the subject to post more, which encourages dedicated hobbyists etc.
Nice post. And agree with all of the above.

Especially about the threads here being easier to follow. Topics on FB come and go so fast you never really get involved or care much about them.

And I am active on some FB groups, and there is some good content. But you really have to know WHO is saying what. A lot of noise to sort through.


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I am the Administrator for Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine's Forum. Activity has really dropped in the last few years but we are planning to make another push and fixing a few issues that have been plaguing the Forum for a while. There is still life for the Forums. Tapatalk has been a real boost to this.

Like here, there are a dedicated bunch of people that keep things afloat but the numbers have totally dropped off.

For those seeking quick answers, they use Social Media. They are the same people that arrive later asking questions on how to fix all the bad advice/information they found.

I prefer the Forums. I can have a discussion with real people with real knowledge. Not even sure where some of the people on Social Media get their information. Do not even get me started with Reddit, the outlet for people wanting to argue with anyone about anything.

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Hello,

Yes, this forum was much more active years ago. I believe the internet has really expanded in recent times. I still enjoy browsing here though. Cheers
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I know the internet was supposed to be our savior heralding a new golden age of fishkeeping etc BUT now with this current economic collapse I really don't see the small lfs and local clubs surviving without a strong internet presence and if it's all only on social media instead of forums like this I don't think it bodes well for anyone except the big players that can afford to do business with amazon. These forums are getting pushed to the fringe. The main difference is they're not selling fashion and without it they simply can't compete with the youth and beauty of social media. All the "legends" are dying out and the industry is just that: a cold dead fish. It's hard to be passionate when your livelihood depends on it, but this is what we signed up for and it's a thankless effort. Wear it as a badge of honor! Where's the global effort to save natural habitats? What happened to the cares list? What happened to the discus study group (dissolved after 100 years!)? I thought this was supposed to be educational? How did we allow internet vanity to take over such a noble cause? It's a low down dirty shame. This is actually the only forum i haven't been banned from yet and when that happens I'm done with the internet. I imagine "social media" is even worse, restricting/banning information that isn't brand name or in line with the widely accepted group think. I mean it's global I get it, so how can you police that? It's just sad for me because I found the hobby to be a haven for outcasts and misfits that otherwise would be forgotten, glossed over and all that experiential information lost. A place where I could be King Moonraiser in my fishroom instead of a poor working schlub. Now it's another mainstream outlet designed to push us all over to digital dependence. A place where everyone is in direct competition (even requesting to be specifically judged by anonymous randos) in live time. A place where I again certainly don't feel comfortable. Who can really learn anything in an environment like that? Constant insecurity is not healthy. Any and all effort should be welcomed and nurtured so we can ALL learn and grow. Social media is a perversion in the hobby. We wouldn't use pornography to teach sex ed. Why do it with the aquarium hobby?
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I actually still come here all of the time when I need help. I haven't found a need to go anywhere else.
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