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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-25-2020, 01:17 AM Thread Starter
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Local plant ID’s

I’ve been kayaking and looking for plants to collect, for the first time. Normally I pay them no mind these were all found in local creeks and a lake in coastal Alabama.

1. Seem to grow about 6 inches tall, if laid on their side will root along the length and put up vertical new growth. Somewhat carpets the area. Spikey small leave.
2. Some sort of Rotala? Nice and red in the sun, and the upper leaves when they form also get reddish in color in my medium light tank.
3. Looks like a Blyxa variety, but not supposed to be in my area. 4" tall. Lake is old and an aquifer. Could have been introduced.
4. These were free floating in a lake and are bright red. The seem to also send out roots along their length if floating. Same lake.
5. This grew in dense mats and is very upright. Fleshy stem. In the creek they were about 3' long, max.
6. Found in a fast moving creek along side some Vallisneria. Looks like Val Filliformis, but again, not native to my area. Long thin wispy leaves, purplish brown as they age
7. 14" long hair like leaves, round but wispy, not like spikerush. Grows well in my tank, and is sending up new leaves soon after planting.

Anything else i can give details about, please let me know!
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1. Mayaca fluviatilis
2. Ludwigia palustris
3. Eriocaulon. If you look at the base of the leaves, you should see that the cells are squarish (this is referred to as fenestrate). Roots should be spongy white and septate (horizontal lines). Not sure of the species without more details (texense? compressum? lineare?). Any inflorescences?
4. Myriophyllum. Unsure of species
5. Bacopa caroliniana
6. Cyperus. Interested to know if it grows submersed; no native species I have tried have ever worked.
7. can't tell from photo
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Pretty cool you can paddle around and score plants that we in the North East have to pay $ for !!!
Every time I'm fishing I also look around the ponds for plants but it seems all we have up here is milfoils everywhere...aka...WEEDS !!
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Pretty cool you can paddle around and score plants that we in the North East have to pay $ for !!!
Every time I'm fishing I also look around the ponds for plants but it seems all we have up here is milfoils everywhere...aka...WEEDS !!
There is probably more around then you realize. I have been pulling random plants from the sides of lakes and and streams and trying them in my quarantine. If the roots of the plants are under the water table so they are always wet then there is a VERY good chance it can grow in a high light co2 tank. And middling chance it grows low tech. What I am learning now is that just because a plant can grow in an aquarium, doesn't mean I want the darn things heh. Some plants just grow up looking ugly when submersed.


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I think spot on with 1,2,5! Thanks!

#3 flowered soon after placing in my tank, but never opened.. just green bulbs on tall stalks. The plant seems to spread by growing what looks like a rhizome and a small bushy node forming adjacent to the parent
plant. A lot of the ones that are in my tank were tight bundles that i snapped apart at the base from the main plant. The roots and leaves are just as you described. I'll try to post some more pics of #3.
#4 Tuberculatum? Are there any other red species?
#6 This was found about 2-3' deep in a fast moving creek next to Val. It looks very much like Cyperus Helferi (including the base and roots), but when found had the purplish brown leaves. The new growth all seems to
be green however, so it could have been the amount of sunlight.
#7 I'll get more photos when the lights come on, and may transplant one and get the roots.

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#6 This one happened to have a runner, the others did not, from what i remember prior to planting.
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And a new one i forgot to post.

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Pretty cool you can paddle around and score plants that we in the North East have to pay $ for !!!
Every time I'm fishing I also look around the ponds for plants but it seems all we have up here is milfoils everywhere...aka...WEEDS !!
To be honest, i've paddled over these plants many times and never paid attention to them. I've always had saltwater tanks. I was very surprised what i found just walking down to a creeks edge, 2 miles from my house.
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The new one might be juncus repens. I am however terrible at the ID game.


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The new one might be juncus repens. I am however terrible at the ID game.
I think you are exactly right. It's native to my area too. Thanks!
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The new one might be juncus repens. I am however terrible at the ID game.
Correct.

Bump: #3 is definitely an Eriocaulon. Probably E. compressum. I asked if any were in flower when you found them because the different species flower at different times of year.
#4 isn't tuberculatum. That's an Indian species and isn't introduced, to my knowledge. How many leaves per node? Closeup of leaf? Several species can be reddish.
#6/7 does look like a Cyperus. Very cool if it grows well for you and even better if it stays smaller than helferi.
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The only time I ever planted a plant from my local pond was a Val type like in pic 6. That thing took over my entire tank in a matter of weeks !!! Runners by the tens and it grew FAST !! That was an interesting experiment !!

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Bump: #3 is definitely an Eriocaulon. Probably E. compressum. I asked if any were in flower when you found them because the different species flower at different times of year.
#4 isn't tuberculatum. That's an Indian species and isn't introduced, to my knowledge. How many leaves per node? Closeup of leaf? Several species can be reddish.
#6/7 does look like a Cyperus. Very cool if it grows well for you and even better if it stays smaller than helferi.
From what i'm reading, compressum get's bigger than this plant. In the wild, it was only about 4-5 inches tall and grew in clusters around the shallow areas of the lake. Aquaticum maybe? From the pics, definitely a, Eriocaulon though! I collected it 4 weeks ago (temp about 65), and it probably already had the flower stalks growing as i noticed the buds soon after it was placed in the tank. I was thinking 6/7 were different plants, but one came from a lake (thinner hair like) and the other swift water (flatter wider). I guess that could make a difference in growth?
#4 seems to have 6-7 leaves per side, per node.. if i'm understanding you. Each "frond" looks to have 12-14 total extensions.
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The only time I ever planted a plant from my local pond was a Val type like in pic 6. That thing took over my entire tank in a matter of weeks !!! Runners by the tens and it grew FAST !! That was an interesting experiment !!

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I'm currently just collecting different things in my area as i kayak as it's my usual spring time activity. If it grows well in my aquarium i'll propagate it and put it in my display. I've only had two "fail" so far. One just doesn't want to grow, and looks similar to the ludwigia, just all green. The other was a thick fleshy long leaved plant that was in the same fast moving creek as the val and cyperus. It's a shame as it was dark green and purplish. It ONLY grew in the fastest current though, and i have very little in my tanks. It just melts over time in my tank.
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You are well out of range for aquaticum. I'll look into things a bit more tomorrow. Could still be compressum.

In the meantime, please see here:
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.as...axon_id=112020

If any of them are flowering now, we can rule out lineare, which flowers in the fall. Can you measure the leaves?
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For the Myriophyllum, exactly how many leaves are there per node? I can't tell from the photos. If you can, please lay an individual leaf out flat and photograph that as well.
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For the Myriophyllum, exactly how many leaves are there per node? I can't tell from the photos. If you can, please lay an individual leaf out flat and photograph that as well.
I answered above, it appeared to be 6-7 per side, probably 6 plus the tip, which would explain why one side might have 7. I pulled off three nodes, and it was extremely difficult to separate the hair like leaves. I'll try again tomorrow.. maybe pull off a larger one.
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Ok, i got two nodes.. if that is what these are called.
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