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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-05-2019, 05:46 PM Thread Starter
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Another plant ID assist

Any help with an ID on these plants would be much appreciated. They don’t look so good and most of them aren’t growing like I had hoped. Go easy on me I am new. 🙂
Also what is the brown stuff on my substrate? The tank is dirted, is that settled dirt or poop? Thanks for looking.
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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-05-2019, 08:27 PM
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The brown stuff looks to be mulm. Its fish waste, decayed plant matter and who knows what else. If you have been disturbing your substrate then it could also be dirt.
Pic 1 bacopa monneri
Pic 4 is a ludwigia species. Probably repens
Pic 5 I would guess dwarf sag or a seriously stunted jungle val.

Just my guesses.
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Thanks for the guesses. I knew pic 5 was dwarf sag. I forgot that I posted that pic because I was going to ask if you could see what deficiency it had. Then I forgot to ask. Whoops!

Thank you for pic 1. At the moment it is my favorite plant and mainly because it has been doing well.
I think pic 2 is a hygrophila polysperma. One that is not doing well at all.
Pic 3 I used to know but have forgotten.

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You might be right on pic 2. I'm also leaning towards water wisteria for pic 3. I meant ask how long has this tank been setup?

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It was planted on March 23rd. I know I have bought wisteria. I know where it’s at in the tank but I didn’t think I posted a pic of it. I’ll have to look again at the pics I posted as I am on my phone.
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Pic 3 looks like pre-transition (emmersed leaves from the nursery, as opposed to submerged growth in the tank) water wisteria to me.

Pic 5 looks like its probably ludwigia repens.

Once the plants finish transition, they will look a lot better. The hygrophilia will probably dump those leaves soon, once new growth starts.

What ferts are you using? Are you dosing the water column? Stem plants can take a while to root well, so relying on a substrate alone for nutrients while they transition may mean it takes much longer.
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The only ferts that I am using at the moment is this stuff https://dustinsfishtanks.com/product...growth-juice-1

Unfortunately I do not know what ferts are in it. I wouldn't have a problem dosing something else but I am ignorant to all of that. Trying to read up on it and I get lost quickly. Any good threads you could suggest for a beginner in that area?

I also thought that my wisteria is what is in the back part of pic 6?

I did not do any root tabs as I was led to believe dirting the tank would take care of that for me. Is that a false way of thinking?
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The only ferts that I am using at the moment is this stuff https://dustinsfishtanks.com/product...growth-juice-1

Unfortunately I do not know what ferts are in it. I wouldn't have a problem dosing something else but I am ignorant to all of that. Trying to read up on it and I get lost quickly. Any good threads you could suggest for a beginner in that area?

I also thought that my wisteria is what is in the back part of pic 6?

I did not do any root tabs as I was led to believe dirting the tank would take care of that for me. Is that a false way of thinking?



sorry but I just got into trying liquid dosing so not anymore experienced then you. "dirt" is all you should need for quite some time. I don't use any root tabs or water column dosing in my dirted tanks. After the dirt has become depleted of most nutrients then you will have to supplement with dosing and root tabs. that is water sprite in the back of pic 6. they look very similar and get confused alot.my recommendations to you with a dirted tank try to keep it clean without going overboard and plant it heavy from the start. I always shoot to plant 60-70% of the substrate within the first few days of setting up the tank. I would also recommend turning down the intensity of your lights. You don't really have any high light plants. Are you injecting co2?
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Yes I am injecting CO2 and even that I am not sure if I am getting to the right amounts. My light is a finnex planted plus but I do not use the 24/7 feature of it. Well not the way it was intended anyways. It is customized to come on at 1200 (very low) and then ramp up to full brightness at 3pm and then the full brightness is on until 6pm where it ramps down to dark at 9pm. I used to have it be max brightness from 12-6. My spiderwood had crazy amounts of the white fungus stuff and only with me turning the light schedule down to a smaller "full bright" period and the addition of CO2, has that started to go away.

I wish I would have had more plants when I started. I thought what I ordered would be plenty, and there was a lot more in the tank than there was when I first planted. I bought a "starter pack" from Dustins Fish Tanks that was $100 and being naive I thought that would be a butt ton of plants. It was a decent amount but really I would have needed may 2.5 of them to really plant the tank heavily. There was maybe 75% more of both the hygrophila and the ludwigia but they didn't make it. I got lots of stem rot right at the substrate and wasnt able to keep them planted. Some of them melted all the way to nothing and did not grow roots. So what I have left in the tank is what has survived that initial purchase. I have since bought the bundle of the wisteria and the sprite. (thanks for that by the way). The bundle of wisteria is not planted in the substrate. It is just in the bundle, loosely wrapped in a plant weight. I want to take it out of the bundle but havent decided where I would want to stick it and of course I am worried about stem rot again.
I am not so sure that I do not have a problem with flow either. For me, its hard balancing flow and trying to make sure all of my CO2 isn't aerated out of the tank by surface agitation.
I have an 8 gallon betta tank that I have no problems with. Well besides trying to grow dwarf sag in the gravel. Other than that my java ferns are doing well as well as my narrow leaf ferns and my anubius afzeli. Cycling that tank was easy, it doesn't have CO2, its low light.....I thought I had it all figured out and wanted to go bigger and better.
High light, tons of plants, CO2, dirted, more gallons, more fish. For the most part it hasn't been the worst experience, I have just realized that I dont know near as much as I thought I did.
Thanks for all of the words of advice and information. I appreciate it!
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I would turn the 24/7 feature off. It might look cool but your plants will grow better having the same amount of light the whole light period. You did use organic potting soil right? If you could give us all your info about the tank we could make a better guess at what to do.

tank size
filtration
lighting
ammonia
nitrites
nitrates
tds
ph
kh
rocks/driftwood use
and anything else useful you can think of. You are welcome and don't worry, it will just take time,patience and attention to figure things out. Stick in there and things will come together.
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