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Capping MTS

Hey all,

I have almost a full 5 gallon bucket of MTS that I am pretty much ready to add to tank (Still need Dolomite but can get that local). I keep reading and think "Yep, that is a good cap" then read something else that changes my mind.

I was going to recycle my current gravel, but run it through a screen to get the largest stuff out, then read that "gravel is hard to plant in". Then I thought about that "Black Diamond Blasting Sand", then read "It will sink below the substrate, pack then create dead zones". Then I read (On TBR.com I think) about mixing 50\50 sand\dirt for bottom 1-3" then 1" pure sand on top, said it makes planting easier and you can "Recharge with dirt cubes" and that sounded interesting. So many options for this.

Then I see all these products Eco-Complete\Seachem Florite\CaribSea Flora Max..ect... Would it be bad to cap my MTS with FloraMax?

What are other good options (I know everyone had their own best) for capping my MTS? And why??

This is for a 55g\Finnex24:7 light\EI Dosed\CompressedCO2 setup.

Plants now are LOTS of Rotala Indica, an Anubius (Not sure 3" leaves), several Coryb(sp?)'Temple Plants', patch of flame moss and about 10 baby ARs.
Adding soon: (order placed waiting on shipment)
Red Tiger Lotus, Aponogeton Ulvaceus, Madagascar Lace, and Anubias nana petite.

Fish Slightly overstocked, but lots of small stuff and 2 larger fish.

Also adding Eheim 2215 (tonight or tomorrow).

Thanks in advance for any input,
Tom

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At first I thought you had a almost a gallon of Malaysian Trumpet Snails. And wanted to cap them for some reason.

I think sand is the simplest option -- of the point of capping is to keep the soil buried, sand will probably do it better than the larger particles in Floramax etc. an inch or so will not cause dead spots.


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At first I thought you had a almost a gallon of Malaysian Trumpet Snails. And wanted to cap them for some reason.

I think sand is the simplest option -- of the point of capping is to keep the soil buried, sand will probably do it better than the larger particles in Floramax etc. an inch or so will not cause dead spots.
Ok, thanks. I just wish Tractor Supply was not 40mins away. Anyone know other sand brands that I can find at Home Depot\Lowes\Menards?? Still not sold yet on the sand, but thinking that sounds easiest.

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Know anywhere besides Tractor place that has it?
They are 40ish min drive, the cost per hour of my time makes the value not that good. I wish they where closer, even thought about asking someone at work that lives by one to pick it up, but did not want him (He has bad back) to carry in something 50lbs for me.

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[FONT=Arial]Hey all,

then read that "gravel is hard to plant in".

You wont be planting in gravel. You'll be planting in mineralized top soil!

As far as other sand options, if you're not set on using black sand you can use just about any brand of pool filter sand. Usually about $10 for a 50 lb bag.
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Know anywhere besides Tractor place that has it?
Any place that sells farm type stuff will have it. When I bought mine I searched all of the local farm type stores and found it. Menards carries a black blasting sand. Same stuff as BDBS from what I can tell. Less than 7 bucks for 50 lbs.

Menards where I live had 66 bags in stock so thats a good sign.

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Ok thanks, also updated original post... I have almost a full 5 gallon bucket of MTS.

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If you can't find black diamond, look for local retailers for Black Beauty blasting sand.

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Thanks for trying...
30 miles, and I would pass Tractor Supply on the way.

I am not even sure if I am going to go sand now, may just run my current gravel through a screen and remove the largest half of it.

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I capped with FloraMax black and it looks nice to me. I have a few questions on high cec caps like this. I rinsed it well, sprinkled dolomite (Garden Lime) and Potash then added 1"-1-1/2" Mineralized soil that I emulsified 1lb of red clay with. From there I capped 1" in the front and 1-2" in the back (Maybe 2-1/2 in one area) with the FloraMax. Filled tank, let it sit maybe an hour then drained and refilled.

I did a check for ammonia\nitrIte\nitrAte and it came back 0\0\0 about an hour after final fill. I checked this morning 0\0\0 so added fish back into the tank. Checked just now and still 0\0\0.

Is the high CEC properties of the FloraMax grabbing it all being it is brand new?

Should I stop EI dosing for now to avoid algea outbreak (for a week or so) or should I be dosing to saturate the FloraMax?

Thanks in advance,
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