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How long does ADA AS loose will its nutritient?

And what happen if it looses its nutrition? Do I have to add another new bag of it? What about my plants and fishes then? Do I have to re-plant them? Thank you.
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This has been discussed a few times while the marketing departments may say it will last forever nothing ever does. Takashi Amano changes most of his tanks out around the one year mark.

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Only 1 year? After that I've to setup a new tank then? Will it be ok just to add some base/root supplement? Thanks
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Root tabs for your rooted plants and ferts for your water column for everything else works fine and is what most people do in one form or another.

Amano is a high-end aquascaper so what he does should only be a guideline for the rest of us mere-mortals. Most people go years with ADA and water column ferts just fine. I'm just trying to point out that even he replenishes his high-end substrate (ADA) regularly while also using all of the ADA liquid ferts.

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I see and thank you very much for the info.
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I'm doing mineralized top soil and/or worm casting on my next tank.

Supposedly good for 10 years or more with little to no liquid fert dosing.
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I'm doing mineralized top soil and/or worm casting on my next tank.

Supposedly good for 10 years or more with little to no liquid fert dosing.
x2. I've used a soil base in all my tanks, and according to Diana Walstad, soil should last around 8-10 years before fizzling out.

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I'm doing mineralized top soil and/or worm casting on my next tank.

Supposedly good for 10 years or more with little to no liquid fert dosing.
But what is mineralized top soil?
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Here is the link to the sticky (in this forum)

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/su...s-updated.html

I tried it once it works well but it is not better than ADA there about even and in my opinion to much of a pain in the butt for me to do again but I'm a SMS/Turface guy.

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Here is the link to the sticky (in this forum)

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/su...s-updated.html

I tried it once it works well but it is not better than ADA there about even and in my opinion to much of a pain in the butt for me to do again but I'm a SMS/Turface guy.

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ADA makes substrate "sticks" to revive your aquasoil. All you need to do, when you have nutrient problems (aside from water column ferts) is inject the sticks into the substrate. Problem solved.
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At $16 for a tiny little can of 'Multi Bottom' I think I'd just go buy Seachem's root tabs at half the price for twice the product or if your daring you could go with miracle grow's plant sticks if you cut them in half.

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x2. I've used a soil base in all my tanks, and according to Diana Walstad, soil should last around 8-10 years before fizzling out.
For a non CO2/non Excel method, but you still add plenty of water column ferts.....they are called fish/fish food and waste........

I do not think you get that good of results on no ferts of any sort on a CO2 enriched system, best to use both, same for a non CO2 method for that matter, then you get longer optimal times frames from MS and ADA AS, or any sediment with nutrients.

ADA As declines, but it will still retain nutrients for years, just not as much from the3 day 1 etc, but still more than say flourite etc.
the same is true for MS, rich initially and then a long tapering decline, much like a log function.

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