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ADA AS in 46 gallon

Hi everyone!

I am changing up my 46 gallon bowfront. Originally I was thinking that I would get a 75 gallon tank and replace the 46 with that, but due to lack of funds and space I have decided to just update my 46. I am going to put a 150 watt MH pendant over it, and am changing the substrate. Right now the substrate that I have in the tank is Turface pro-league in red. The stuff worked out OK but I am A) tired of the color B) tired of how light the darn stuff is, it won't hold anything down, and C) tired of how cloudy it gets with the slightest disturbance.

I am very tempted by ADA AS, but am extremely worried about the cloudiness issue. I don't want to spend a lot of money on substrate only to have it stay cloudy forever and cloud up a ton any time anything is moved.

I suppose that my other option is eco-complete, but I would love to try something different (have never tried AS before) and want something that will do a little more for the plants than either eco or flourite does, and also lower my high pH.

Opinions much appreciated!! Also, would 3x 9 liter bags cover a 46 bow with a depth of 3"??
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2 9L bags should do i remeber seeing someone say that they covered the bottome of a 29gal at 2" with one bag.
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What are the approximate dimensions of a 46 gallon bowfront?

1. Go to Google.
2. Search: approximate footprint * 3 cubic inches to liters
3. Divide by 9 to get the number of 9L bags you need.

ie: http://www.google.com/search?q=36*18...ches+to+liters
^ that's for my 40 gallon breeder...I'd need ~31 gallons, or a little over 3 bags.

I actually used about 4 bags to get all the sloping I needed, and 4 bags is what I bet it'll take to fill your tank including substrate sloping.

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2 9L bags should do i remeber seeing someone say that they covered the bottome of a 29gal at 2" with one bag.
One 9L bag will definitely give you less than 2" of substrate depth.
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Thanks epicfish, I was afraid I would need another bag but am not surpised. What is AS like; does it hold plants down? Is it really cloudy? Thanks a lot!
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It holds plants relatively well.

Cloudy? Yes.
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Apparently, the original Amazonia AS will cloud and discolor hard water forever! According to other posts I've read, the Amazonia II is designed to prevent this. OMG I wish I had known this before I completely broke down my little 16gal. to add Amazonia two weeks ago. My water is yellow and cloudy in spite of eight 30% water changes in 13 days, and now what I'm hearing makes me think it will never get any better. I'm now wondering if I dare risk another complete break down to get the AS out. So far I haven't lost any fish, but my plants (except my algae) are suffering from the reduced light, and if it isn't going to clear I might lose them all!! And I thought a small planted tank would be relatively easy...
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Apparently, the original Amazonia AS will cloud and discolor hard water forever! According to other posts I've read, the Amazonia II is designed to prevent this. OMG I wish I had known this before I completely broke down my little 16gal. to add Amazonia two weeks ago. My water is yellow and cloudy in spite of eight 30% water changes in 13 days, and now what I'm hearing makes me think it will never get any better. I'm now wondering if I dare risk another complete break down to get the AS out. So far I haven't lost any fish, but my plants (except my algae) are suffering from the reduced light, and if it isn't going to clear I might lose them all!! And I thought a small planted tank would be relatively easy...
I run over a dozen tanks with ADA AquaSoil I.

The cloudiness and discoloration definitely does NOT last forever.

How did you fill your tank and how are you going about clearing the water up? Have you tried using carbon, a good amount of filter floss, and Purigen? Or better yet a diatom filter?

It's mistakes or inadequate knowledge in the initial setup of ADA AS that leads to long, drawn out problems and inaccurate statements about the product. It's not the easiest substrate to work with, but when set up properly, problems are minimal and the benefits far outweigh said problems.
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I assume you consider Barr to be knowledgeable in this arena. The permanent nature of the problem in a hard water tank is what I read in his post (on his forum). As for filter media, I have used Seachem Renew, Seachem Purigen, and Pura Complete- none has helped in the least.

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Well I have hard water, I seem to remember reading something about AS I and hard water not being a good combination. I guess I will get AS II then, and try that.
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I assume you consider Barr to be knowledgeable in this arena. The permanent nature of the problem in a hard water tank is what I read in his post (on his forum). As for filter media, I have used Seachem Renew, Seachem Purigen, and Pura Complete- none has helped in the least.
My tap water in Los Angeles came out at about 12-14 degrees and I had no problem with the constant clouding and tint of my water.
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We have really hard water here in cave country. My amazonia I doesn't ever cloud my water.

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Jeff Senske has some interesting comments about Amazonia I and Amazonia II.

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Alright, AS I it is, and I will keep my fingers crossed! Thanks for the advice and links everyone
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