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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-28-2009, 08:08 PM Thread Starter
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Is this just repackaged SMS?

http://www.aquariumplants.com/product_p/ss.htm

I almost ordered a pail of this but am now hearing it's just SMS which I paid $23 for 100 pounds for. I did not like it at all and wanted to make sure I was not paying for the same thing.

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Looks like I already got my answer. Not sure why aquariumplants calls this "their own" substrate when it's just the regular SMS.
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You can spike SMS with various nutrients also.
You can also use it like sand with mineralized soil.

There's volcanic rock, there's cooked clays(this and flourite) and then there's the semi soft clays, like ADA AS and Kitty litter etc.

Then plain old sands and CaCO3 and dolomites.

Each has a different use and trade off etc.

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Thanks Tom. My problem was the dust from SMS. It just never would go away even after many months. Never thought to mix it but I may have to try that.
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I always washed my SMS before using it and didn't have any dust problems. But, some people reported that they didn't wash it and they also said they had no dust problems. I do know that mine was extremely dirty out of the bag.

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Mine, too. And I washed it forever. I may have to end up getting it tho and mixing it with the sand I am now using. I would like to have some aquatic soil on the bottom but I may be moving in a few months and that would be a huge mess.
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I wash mine SMS out good in a strainer last year {80lb} and i still get a lot of dust when i do my water changes so I'm given up and replacing it with ECO
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I use this product in my 46g, it is a little light weight at the start but had no dust really at all and it doesn't dust up when i move it around, seems to not be degrading at all. I have to say cost + looks + cleanness IM really happy with this stuff! I had read that this is repackaged SMS but i don't believe it plus i am not 100% about this but didnt they stop making the black SMS?
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I've seen both substrates firsthand and there's no doubt they're the same IMO.

I've used SMS charcoal for a couple years now mixed with black sand with good results. It's a little lightweight but with the sand it makes planting a lot easier. I had no major issues with dust.


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Sheesh, no warnings to me about dust before I bought the SMS. I Just rinsed one 50# bag. Took me 3 hours straight. 2 cups at a time, dumped into a gallon rectangle sized container. After 3 rinses ( swirl my hand to move the sms around, drain, fill and swirl, drain, ect ), it wasnt too bad. But even after 3 rinses, I could still get dusty water if I rinsed it again. Of course it wasnt as bad as the 1st two rinses, but it was dusty. I just figured once in the tank I'd be ok.

I'm wondering if I should stop at the 50# I now have in my tank and add 30-40# black sand, or continue with the 30-40# SMS as planned, or dump it all and go all natural sand???

I thought I read up enough and made the right decision when I bought the SMS. Now you guys got me shakin in my boots.
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I've been using SMS for almost 6 months now in my 72 gal. Never a dust issue except the first day I put it in. I really like the stuff. I made it a top layer over a sand and flourite bottom.

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I have white sand in my tank now and think I may mix it with SMS. Maybe make this white sand not so white and add some weight to the SMS.
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