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substrate confused..

would u reccomend a nutrient enhanced substrate? like flourite or eco completE? if so which?
or should i just go with some sort of play sand.. silicate or non silicate?

ANy help is appreciated!
i have been looking around this board and it seems once u get a good idea someone comes in a says somethin new!!
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It depends on what you're trying to grow.
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I've used small grained gravel w/Laterite, Flourite, Onyx Sand and Eco-Complete. The "good" E-C has worked well for me. I just got some ADA Aqua Soil Amazonia (original) in that I'm going to be using next.

I believe that this is your first planted aquarium. If I were you, I'd find some "good" E-C as a first choice. And for a second choice, you could try Flourite. Amazonia is said to be the best, but you may have some quirks to deal with.

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I've used small grained gravel w/Laterite, Flourite, Onyx Sand and Eco-Complete. The "good" E-C has worked well for me. I just got some ADA Aqua Soil Amazonia (original) in that I'm going to be using next.

I believe that this is your first planted aquarium. If I were you, I'd find some "good" E-C as a first choice. And for a second choice, you could try Flourite. Amazonia is said to be the best, but you may have some quirks to deal with.
im about to google ada aqua soil..
is that a better choice over flourite? i remember seeing the aqua soil site but it didnt say how many lbs.. it was wierd
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Aquasoil is a great substrate; it's sold by the Liter. Here's a link to the ADG website that has an estimative guide to the amount of substrate needed, although I think you should order an extra bag just for good measure. Also, when considering price, if you compare it to eco, which comes packed in water, pound for pound the prices are very similar, and AS is a stellar product. http://www.adgshop.com/ProductDetail...0&Show=ExtInfo
NB: 1) you should get the regular amazonia, not type II. 2) powersand, et al, are not necessary, only "recommended" by ADA; their actual benefit is questionable.
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I would get eco-complete or Aquasoil. I didn't use aquasoil, but a lot of people say it is the best substrate (expensive too). I recently bought a bag of eco for $19. You can mix eco with gravel or sand, but remember to mix it with fine gravel or sand (I did a big mistake by mixing eco with gravel size about 6mm and now I am suffering). The pros of eco are nice, black-brown color and no need to rinse. Recently I saw fluorite black and I have to say that I liked it to. But I will stick with eco...
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ADA Aquasoil Amazonia comes in 9 liter bags and 3 liter bags.

9 liters is around 549.2 cubic inches and 3 liters is 183.1 cubic inches.

12 liters will work fine with a 30"x12" footprint.

I don't remember what tank size that you are working on.

Here's two places that sell it:
http://www.adana-usa.com/index.php?m...ct&cPath=12_21
http://www.adgshop.com/Aqua_Soil_s/21.htm

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If you are still confused, this could help http://www.aquatic-eden.com/2007/04/...-aquarium.html
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ADA AS was out of my price range once shipping was factored in. I started off with some Eco, but the stuff I got was part of the bad batch that went out from the Mgfr and I returned it and switched for Fluorite black. Mixed it with 50lbs of colorquartz to save $$. I LOVE it!

I also like the Fluorite dark.

I'm going to wait to see what Orlando's got coming in to GreenLeafAquariums.com before I buy anything for my newest tanks, though.





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ADA Aquasoil Amazonia comes in 9 liter bags and 3 liter bags.

9 liters is around 549.2 cubic inches and 3 liters is 183.1 cubic inches.

12 liters will work fine with a 30"x12" footprint.

I don't remember what tank size that you are working on.

Here's two places that sell it:
http://www.adana-usa.com/index.php?m...ct&cPath=12_21
http://www.adgshop.com/Aqua_Soil_s/21.htm
its a 20 long.. so its about 30 inches.. give or take an inch. im thinking a good 15 liter. one 9. and two 3 L bags..
if this turns out to be really expensive then is flourite any cheaper..

btw.. im googling again lol
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is flourite substrate soft enough to house fw gobies?
i sw this tiger goby i think it was called and it is kept in a tank with rocks but do they need or prefer sand?
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Fluorite is clay based and IMO isn't sharp at all. I've never kept gobies though, so IDK for sure what type of substrate they need. You could always go with the Fluorite black sand if sand is what you need, though.





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its a 20 long.. so its about 30 inches.. give or take an inch. im thinking a good 15 liter. one 9. and two 3 L bags..
if this turns out to be really expensive then is flourite any cheaper..

btw.. im googling again lol
A 20 Long is darn near exactly 30".

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