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How much substrate is too much?

I just started up my first planted tank... currently my substrate is mixed with 3M Quartz and Eco Complete. The substrate is around 3-4" high... my question is how high is too much? Or is this fine?

I planning to pull some MTS to help stir up the substrate. Is there any other snail to help stir up the substrate?

Also, I will be adding 20-30 cherry shrimps.

Will there be any problem will snails and cherry shrimps in the same tank?

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3-4" should be fine, I personally use much less. ie. Low ares about 1/4" above black trim piece on bottom and then in high places abotu 1-2" above black trim. I would say its about 1/2-2 1/1" at any given spot. I like to clean my gravel thoroughly once a month and I find with too much gravel a lot of debris and gunk can get down deep and cannot be cleaned wihout major construction. My buddy does have 4-5inches in his 120gal planted, said he added too much but it works and it also does allow for more more contours since youve got more depth to work with.

I might consider trying a deep substrate next time around...?

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by the way, welcome to another member from ohio!!! :-) nice to see another hobbyist in the area, Im from Columbus myself

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[quote=shwerm601;523185] it also does allow for more more contours since youve got more depth to work with.
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Hmmm. You must not have a pleco??

I've tried contouring gravel in the past (non planted tank). It always ends up being flat after a couple of weeks, so I stopped trying.

I live in Marion, by the way, but work in Columbus. Went to High School in Gahanna.

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Are plecos supposed to dig in the substrate to the point it flattens it? I've never seen mine dig at all. He "scoots" across it (stirring up anything not vacuumed up).

I ask because I'm hoping to put some curves in my substrate before I plant it.

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Are plecos supposed to dig in the substrate to the point it flattens it? I've never seen mine dig at all. He "scoots" across it (stirring up anything not vacuumed up).

I ask because I'm hoping to put some curves in my substrate before I plant it.
My pleco is a big one, almost a foot long. He's 15-20 years old! He is the only bottom feeder I have had that is big enough to move the gravel.

He likes to graze on the bottom a lot.



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Ah, I understand now. I have a little squirt. He'll always stay little. About 5" tops. He's a Flash Pleco, otherwise known as L-204.

I bet your pleco is awesome! Flat substrate and all!

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lol off-topic pleco talk!
Gravel can be any depth from what I've found out, as long as its enough to anchor the plants securely.
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Just wanted to say hi since I'm in Ohio as well. Cleveland here.
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Also, I will be adding 20-30 cherry shrimps.
Not that I'm aware of. Mine live together just fine...unfortunately. I wish the shrimp would eat the snail eggs...
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Here is a link to the Substrate Calcualtor:

https://www.plantedtank.net/substratecalculator.html

I think it is very useful, let me know what you all think


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Why does it not have ADA AS?
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Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe they think it is similar to one of the other choices.


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