Is there actually less substrate in Eco-complete because there's water in it? - The Planted Tank Forum
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Is there actually less substrate in Eco-complete because there's water in it?

I just dropped $35 on a 20 pound bag of eco-complete. I noticed there was a lot of water that leaked out when I was pouring it.

So does the listed weight include the water, meaning there is actually less "dry-weight"? Cause I feel kind of stupid if I spent more money on less gravel, when I could've just bought flourite for cheaper.
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It has slightly smaller grain size too, so 1 lb takes up less volume. To me it always seemed like less because of the water and the grain size, but you can't say for sure unless you dry it out and measure.

SMS on the other hand, 20 lbs of that will go a LOT further than you expect it to because it is not dense at all and the grains are slightly larger.


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35$? online

how come it was that expensives. I think aquariumplants.com still sell eco for $24 shipped

One month in.
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I don't know. I was in a rush, went to the local Big Al's. $35CDN. It was the only day I had help to move the tank/stand in the same place as the former tank. So I had to get more substrate first before filling it up. Maybe I'll get more flourite on Boxing Day.
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I've used 350 cubic centimeters for a single 20 Liter bag of Eco-Plus. This doesn't work exactly because of the grain size of E-C can very between sand to small rocks.

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Yes. By actual volume, which is what we fill, Eco is the most expensive substrate I've seen for planted tanks.
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They're asking $35 at the local fish store here too. So I ordered online instead. $21.99 at DrsFosterSmith.com, plus shipping, but I needed a few other items anyway. This is my first time to try it and hopefully it lives up to all the hype.
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Thanks for all the helpful replies!


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They're asking $35 at the local fish store here too. So I ordered online instead. $21.99 at DrsFosterSmith.com, plus shipping, but I needed a few other items anyway. This is my first time to try it and hopefully it lives up to all the hype.
Hmm I just read that Eco-Complete may increase the GH and KH levels. Not sure if it's confirmed. Cause if it is, it'd be a bummer. Hoping it's just a myth though.

Anyone can fill in on this?
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I've heard that too, Dekstr. Perhaps it can be counteracted with a buffer and pieces of driftwood?
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So does this mean, as a general rule, you'd need more than 1 pound per gallon if you use Eco Complete?

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The substrate calculator does have an Eco Complete choice. Click on articles at the top....
{edit, just go to https://www.plantedtank.net/substratecalculator.html }
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Hard to calculate with a corner bow front tank.

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Whats the problem, some geometry, calculus...

I dont think its a huge difference, what I would do in your shoes is just look up a common tank size maybe about the same size as yours and run the numbers for eco and compare to something else to get a ratio. But also if it were me I'd go AS before Eco, or perhaps black flourite sand.
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yeah, but telling it I have a 37" wide and 27" long tank is telling me I need 166 pounds of Eco. LOL

Stupid 3 sided tank. hehe

I will try to find a tank close to the same volume and height.

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Lol, my 55 standard sized tank needs 97 lbs for 3 ins. I wanna get eco complete, but it's a bit expensive, so I'll upgrade eventually. I'll just start using it on all my new tanks, if I can find it cheap though...
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