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I read about putting a layer of peat underneath the substrate. I just wanted to clarify, is this something like sphagnum peat moss that you would find in a garden center? The only peat I see in fish stores is peat pellets for putting in filters to soften or acidify water. That's not what I want, correct? Is there anything to be careful about if I'm looking for peat in a garden store (any bad additives, etc)? And what exactly does the peat do for the tank? Thanks!
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actually, the peat pellets would probably be easier to use than shredded sphagmum moss... but why use it in the first place? there are lots of products and techniques out there that will help you get going in the right direction (look into ADA aquasoil first)... peat substrate is not one i use or recommend. others use it and swear by it, ive tried it and never found any benefit.

if i were to use it i would probably opt for the peat pellets, but again... why?


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I read about putting a layer of peat underneath the substrate. I just wanted to clarify, is this something like sphagnum peat moss that you would find in a garden center?
That can be used if you choose to use it under your substrate. I guess which ever is cheaper.


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I have shredded peatmoss from the local garden center under both gravel and play sand in my two tanks. While I can't really swear by it or at it, I have found that it is a cheap "filler" and the plants do root well in it. That being said, you are looking at a long time for it to settle, your filter, if it's running at the time, clogging, and having cloudy water every water change until you vaccum the debris off the top of your other substrate. I have even added it while the fish are in there and, other than not seeing them for a while, haven't had any losses yet, touch wood. You will also have the blackwater effect from the tannins and it may drop the pH and soften the water like adding peat to a filter.
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I think there's some confusion here...

there is only supposed to be a light "sprinkling" of peat under your substrate, in a NEW tank, to help feed the bacteria and cycle the tank quicker. I put a sprinkling of ORGANIC peat from the garden center (you could still see the glass on the bottom) under my Aquasoil on the last tank. Its not an actual part of your substrate.

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I think there's some confusion here...

there is only supposed to be a light "sprinkling" of peat under your substrate, in a NEW tank, to help feed the bacteria and cycle the tank quicker. I put a sprinkling of ORGANIC peat from the garden center (you could still see the glass on the bottom) under my Aquasoil on the last tank. Its not an actual part of your substrate.
Aha! That's exactly what I needed to know, thanks! This is actually an established tank that I'm changing substrate on, so I guess the peat thing doesn't apply, I just remembered reading it in some setups/articles round here. I'm leaving about a half inch of old gravel+mulm in the bottom, then putting aquariumplants.com's substrate over it. So would that be enough nutrients in the substrate? (looking to plant lots of crypts)
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There's probably actually very little nutrients in the substrate. Any substrate you get, even ADA Aquasoil will be depleted of its nutrients in less than a year. So, unless you are looking to do a vivarium or try the dry plant method, it is not necessary to have nutritious substrate. Most plants can get their nutrients from the water column.

That being said, how many of you use peat in your filters?

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That being said, how many of you use peat in your filters?
I only use a very thin layer under the substrate when starting a new tank

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There's probably actually very little nutrients in the substrate. Any substrate you get, even ADA Aquasoil will be depleted of its nutrients in less than a year. So, unless you are looking to do a vivarium or try the dry plant method, it is not necessary to have nutritious substrate. Most plants can get their nutrients from the water column.

That being said, how many of you use peat in your filters?
So you are telling me that all the available nutrients in Flourite and Eco-Complete are gone in a year?
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I've always put a thin smattering of peat under my substrate in planted tanks. Does it really do much good? I don't know. Can it do any harm? I don't see how.

But I've always used the peat pellets made specifically for aquarium use. I'd be leary of just going to Lowes and buying a bag full of peat and who knows what else. Yes it's cheaper, but for just a thin layer, why not?
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I'd be leary of just going to Lowes and buying a bag full of peat and who knows what else. Yes it's cheaper, but for just a thin layer, why not?
I know what you mean but no worries the Sphagnum Peat Moss works just fine. It is 100% organic and I use it in all my tanks regardles of substrate, mulm, filter being fully mature, etc and I like you possibly, have changed my substrate many times.


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So you are telling me that all the available nutrients in Flourite and Eco-Complete are gone in a year?
Ok, you got me Rex. I meant NPK, and I was referring to Aquasoil.

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I just used peat from Lowes under my Eco Complete. It actually came in chunks and that's kinda how I left it. It could be a pain though...if i ever uprooted a big plant to sell/trade, it would often have hold of a chunk of peat.

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well to jump right in 3 years later... i was searching this thread for likewise success using sphagnum peat moss. i use equal amounts of gravel, peat moss, flourite, laterite, schultz aquatic soil, and hard pan clay that i find along the creek bed kayaking. my tanks been awesome for 8 years straight on this mix and was really trying to pinpoint one or the other for the success.
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Chad320, nice revival! Holy old threads batman. Thanks for the update after three years(8 in your case). Tell ya the truth, I wondered about Shagnum Moss taking the place of the 20 dollar small box of fluval peat. I f can, I might just buy a bag of Spagnum for my filters, But then again... why disturb a good thing...


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