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I'm trying to build a cheap, yet rich substrate..so help me out on the calculations of each and if the layers are right
Bottom- Pure Laterite(1oz per g)/Plantex CSM + B(1oz per gallon?)
Middle- 1" Earthworm Castings/Play-sand to reduce fertility
Top- 1" Tahitan Moon Sand
I will wait a couple of months before adding any fish, and I will try oxygenate that tank really well so that bacteria can preform the transition...any helpful suggestions?
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Personally I would play around with soils before I played around with worm castings.

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I would not suggest you put ANY Plantex in the substrate. And at the levels you are thinking about would be very toxic to all living things not to mention quite expensive for a tank of any size. I run five planted tanks and don't go though 4 ounces of Plantex a YEAR!
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Ok fine, skip the Plantex...but does't Steve Pushak use some, I think 1/70th of an ounce? But I think he uses FTI Trace instead? Then is everything else in proportion..?
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Actually your substrate seems a little thin to me. Only two inches in depth. And I can see your substrate becoming a total mess when you plant in it. The two sands are going to mix and the worm feces are going to be everywhere. At most you might want to go with " of the worm feces and then cap it with a couple inches of an inert substrate.

I don't know who Steve Pushak is but 1/70 of an ounce of Plantex is several magnitudes lower than 1 ounce per gallon.

Also you might want to check out these links
http://home.infinet.net/teban/soil.precautions.html
http://home.infinet.net/teban/how-to.html

The second link is where I figure you got the idea of putting Plantex in the substrate. Well there is a huge difference between fritted trace elements and Plantex. Fritted means that they are fired into a type of glass if I remember correctly.

The best way to create a nutrient rich substrate is to start off with a quality substrate like Flourite or Eco-Complete and then let it mature naturally.

Raul, it seems to me that you are jumping all over the place and each idea you read sends you in a different direction. Also as shown in this case you are reading about someone using extremely small amounts of one item and turning that concept into using extremely large amounts of a similar but different item. IMHO you need to start with the basic proven ideas.
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The links you gave me came from Steve Pushak's website...anyways, I'm too weary to try it out. With toxics like methane, I don't want to risk killing my fish and fighting algae most of the time. But profile seems really intresting...is it what it's called, soil formed into dried granules? So does it do well alone?
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Profile is actually a fired clay similar to Flourite. I'm not a fan of it because I really hate the color. It's also very light and can be hard to keep stem plants in at first. There have been some reports that it will affect water chemistry. But it's cheap and it does work.
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But it recommends that it be covered with gravel...
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I'll confirm that. I've used it alone and covered with gravel. Covered is way better. It is so light that the output from my filter blew it around at the opposite end of the tank, and bared the glass bottom.

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Fertiplant or Fertiplant plus seems to be one of the products getting popular with folks setting up enriched substrates. Only one place I know of you can get it:

http://www.floridadriftwood.com/subc...p;2=-1&6=1

I think I'm going to go this way myself. The advice I got seems to be to make a concoction using this stuff, some broken up fert sticks, a few handfuls of peat and a portion of the base substrate material. I'm not talking CPA or laterite- but eco-complete, Profile, Flourite- one of those choices.

Then over time you have to renew this with fert sticks. Enriched substrates don't stay that way forever.

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Mulm enriches the substrate over-time...
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True, but generally may not be enough for root feeders.

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Don't worry my next tank is Crypt and Sword-free...
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