So what is the actual difference between ADA AS and Soilmaster? - The Planted Tank Forum
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-28-2007, 03:39 PM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (6/100%)
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Smithfield, RI
Posts: 103
So what is the actual difference between ADA AS and Soilmaster?

OK, Ive been reading all the post about "best" substrate. But in terms of "real" differences, and I mean "better growth/simplier mantenance", what is the difference between the two substates? Assume that one would use the same water, light and fert parameters and plant the same plants in two different tanks, one with ADA AS and one with Soilmaster with peat and laterite, what would I "see" as the difference?

If you can describe these diffeneces using a 1-10 scale for reference, that would be great ... help me understand the relative differences.

Jeff
Jeff Richard is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-28-2007, 04:14 PM
planted tank sickness
 
aquanut415's Avatar
 
PTrader: (14/100%)
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Marin County, CA
Posts: 799
aquasoil contains ammonia, but is clay based. It is soft and will not scratch the glass, it will lower KH... it makes plants grow like crazy with only additional potassium being dosed. some plants don't like aquasoil cause it is acidic and will not grow well or at all in it, some plants like erio's or tonina species seem to really like the acidic substrate conditions created by the aquasoil.

turface is just about inert other than iron, it is hard baked clay. it will not significantly impact KH. using EI, or some other regimen to dose macros is mandatory with the substrate.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
aquanut415 is offline  
post #3 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-28-2007, 06:01 PM
 
PTrader: (7/100%)
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 517
it'll probably be argued that both grow equally well depending on how much you're willing to do. but i guess the simplest answer, based on aquanut's comments, is that aquasoil will be the easier one to grow plants in, unless they don't like acidic conditions.
Storm_Rider is offline  
 
post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-28-2007, 08:42 PM
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 214
Soilmaster...

Soilmaster is as they say: a thermally optimized Montmorillonite clay that is baked around 1000 to 1500 F.

This is 2 US Montmorillonite Clay chemical makeup (should be close to Soilmaster)

Texas Montmorillonite
CHEMICAL COMPOSITION (%):
SiO2: 70.1
Al2O3: 16.0
TiO2: 0.22
Fe2O3: 0.65
FeO: 0.15
MnO: 0.009
MgO: 3.69
CaO: 1.59
Na2O: 0.27
K2O: 0.078
F:0.084,
P2O5: 0.026
S: 0.04.

Montmorillonite (Wyoming)
CHEMICAL COMPOSITION (%):
SiO2: 62.9,
Al2O3: 19.6
TiO2: 0.090,
Fe2O3:3.35
FeO: 0.32
MnO: 0.006
MgO: 3.05
CaO: 1.68
Na2O: 1.53
K2O: 0.53
F: 0.111
P2O5: 0.049

The CEC is 19, PH is 6.

Laterite is a natural, high Iron Weathered material, not really a clay.
You can see itís composition , CEC and PH at:


I was on the phone today wit my contact for Soilmaster
He is supposed to send me lot of infos and marketing package around their products and I ask for the chemical analysishttp://home.infinet.net/teban/jamie.htm
Glouglou is offline  
post #5 of 8 (permalink) Old 03-01-2007, 02:06 PM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (6/100%)
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Smithfield, RI
Posts: 103
Perhaps I've not been clear with my question ... and thanks for the technical data. But I was looking for something like ... "plants grow (20%,30%, 40%, ???%) faster and bigger in X", or "You end up using X less addatives (list) with X substrate", or "I've been able to grow these plants in X that I wasn't in Y" ... that type of observations. Something that will give me a QUALITATIVE comparison with a little more substance than "X is better".
Jeff Richard is offline  
post #6 of 8 (permalink) Old 03-01-2007, 02:09 PM
Wannabe Guru
 
eklikewhoa's Avatar
 
PTrader: (23/100%)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: houston,TX
Posts: 1,924
Well in that case Aquasoil will grow plants better with less ferts and is super packed with nutrients so root feeders would be in heaven!

FUNction over form

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
eklikewhoa is offline  
post #7 of 8 (permalink) Old 03-03-2007, 12:34 AM
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 214
Aquasoil vs Soilmaster

You have to look at the physical process of these products to understand their properties.

Soilmaster is clay fired at 1000 to 1500 F at this temperature clay start to vitrify and will be inert and not leach nutrient (or in very small quantity, depend of temperature). Itís almost inert like quartz sand

I beleive that Aquasoil is a specialy prepare clay mix with nutrient in the form of oxyde to ressemble what we use for trace elements and fired at lower temperature where constituant water is gone. At that point the clay lost any plasticity forever and will not be easily dissolve by water.

By playing with the amount of iron an manganese you can control the color from red to dark brown or black.

Here in presence of water and acidic environment you have lot more leaching of the constituant elements, making Aquasoil a rich complete substrat compare to inert Soilmaster.

Laterite is a kind of natural clay that lost is plasticity and constituant water by natural geologic transformation.

The good point with Soilmaster itís is CEC
Quote:
Cation exchange capacity:
What CEC actually measures is the soil's ability to hold cations by electrical attraction. Cations are positively charged elements, the positive charge indicated by a + sign after the element symbol. The number of + signs indicates the amount of charge the element possesses.The five most abundant exchangeable cations in the soil are calcium (Ca++ ), magnesium (Mg++), potassium (K+), sodium (Na+) and aluminium (Al+++).
Cations are held by negatively charged particles of clay and humus called colloids. Colloids consist of thin, flat plates, and for their size have a comparatively large surface area. For this reason they are capable of holding enormous quantities of cations. They act as a storehouse of nutrients for plant roots.
For example Laterite have a CEC of only 2.7 and I beleive that Aquasoil is maybe around 5.(Itís an educated guess) but the slow leaching of nutrients feed the roots with some quantity of nutrients.

Soilmaster have a CEC of 29 to 41, meaning that any nutrient in dissolution in the water will be store in the substrat and readily available by the plants.
Glouglou is offline  
post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old 03-04-2007, 02:34 PM
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,315
Quote:
Originally Posted by aquanut415 View Post
...some plants don't like aquasoil cause it is acidic and will not grow well or at all in it.
Just out of curiosity, what plants dont like aquasoil?
crazy loaches is offline  
Reply

Tags
None

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Planted Tank Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome