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Aquasoil Question:

As my R/O unit broke several months ago (and Coralife wasn't too cool about replacing it) I have been using straight tap for about 6 months. Not a big deal, my tanks are fairly low tech.

However, I have a new high tech setup coming tomorrow (ADA 60-P, Aquasoil, powersand, etc.)

I was wondering if, since ADA soil is usually used in low kH/gH water, will my water cause many of Aquasoil's benefits to be rendered moot? It's acid conditions will be quickly canceled out by my high pH/gH/kH water.

I dose EI (not ready for PPS yet) and I do a lot of water changes. Buying distilled really isn't a viable option.

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Nope, we have pretty high kH out of the tap and i have had zero issues with AS and pressurized CO2.
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So you still notice a tangible benefit with Aquasoil and hard water?

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My tap water typically has a KH of 14-18 and GH of 18-22. One week after setting up a 20h with one 9-liter bag of AquSoil the KH was 2 and the GH 4. That was about five months ago. Today the KH is at 4 but the GH is back up in the 20s.

So it will benefit you, but the question is how long the buffering effect will last with our hard water. As a backup I've purchased a couple of additional bags of Aqua Soil for use in my cannister filter. That way I can reintroduce the buffering capabilities of fresh AS without having to tear the tank down.

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As a backup I've purchased a couple of additional bags of Aqua Soil for use in my cannister filter. That way I can reintroduce the buffering capabilities of fresh AS without having to tear the tank down.


What a Great Idea! Filed for Future Reference!


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for the cost of the aquasoil you would put in your filter couldn't you just buy an RO unit? not to mention the aquasoil leeches ammonia when its new
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for the cost of the aquasoil you would put in your filter couldn't you just buy an RO unit? not to mention the aquasoil leeches ammonia when its new
Not sure about the RO part....but IMO, ammonia in an established well planted tank, should get eaten up very quickly by plants. Maybe the reason why you see and explosive growth when you first use AS.


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for the cost of the aquasoil you would put in your filter couldn't you just buy an RO unit? not to mention the aquasoil leeches ammonia when its new
This is what I was thinking. I got my RO off of ebay, 6 stage with TDS meter and pressure meter thing for like $140 shipped. I've never regretted this purchase, as it makes nice drinking water too!

Hard water & plants suck, period. I've done it for years, and now with soft water, I'm having the most fun I've ever had with plants! I use ADA substrate and will never use anything else, with 100% RO. I have no issues with it. In fact, I only dose TMG & Iron in my moderately lit, CO2 injected tank.
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so, does the leaching of ammonia mean it helps the cycle start too?
Thanks for the info guys, i had the same ?

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so, does the leaching of ammonia mean it helps the cycle start too?
Thanks for the info guys, i had the same ?

It did for me...Personaly I don't plan to dump the aquasoil every year and start over....once it stops buffering the water, great, then my water parameters will be closer to the tap water I fill my tanks with...
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I am going to enjoy the buffering effect the AS has on my water. Im tired of the rock hard water here in texas.
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Not sure about the RO part....but IMO, ammonia in an established well planted tank, should get eaten up very quickly by plants. Maybe the reason why you see and explosive growth when you first use AS.
Both Jeff Senske and myself seem to think so.
If you follow the plan that ADA suggest, then you definitely will.
If lower KH is something you want to do, use peat in the filter, that's what's happening with the ADA AS.

They have been doing this for a good 50 years or more in the hobby, but you do not see the same types of benefits.

The control for the NH4 burst is zeolite.
That just addresses the NH4 in the water column, not the substrate.
I've not seen much differences using the zeolite.
So I'd say it's from the form of the N and the location for some plants.

If you make a non limiting water column, then you can rule out NH4 vs NO3 there.

At least you can test that effectively.

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I am going to enjoy the buffering effect the AS has on my water. Im tired of the rock hard water here in texas.
Yea, good old limestone aquafer huh?
Hopefully peat and AS can help us out here.

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Not sure about the RO part....but IMO, ammonia in an established well planted tank, should get eaten up very quickly by plants. Maybe the reason why you see and explosive growth when you first use AS.
YES!!!! Just setup a 75 cm, and plants started growing that same day. Just make sure you plant heavily right away and dont put fish that same day. After a day or two I put the harlequin rasboras and they have been fine in there. Plants are just insane in the AS, growing is not the word to describe it.

BTW, I went 100% bacteria surface in the filter, no pads except for the coarse ones that come with it. Not interested in filtering water, just establishing a bio-colony.


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