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Red Sea Flora Base Plant Substrate

I'm new to the plant world and was wondering if anyone knows how good is Red Sea Flora Base Plant Substrate? Do I need to mix this with anything else? Please advise
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i have the same substraight you are talking about... just remember... its called "florabase" for a reason. it should be a base layer then add some sand or something over it.. because it breaks down slowly and it gets stirred up easily after that.

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this might not be liable info.. but it is from what i have experienced.... for me it has started breaking down and everytime i plant dust sturs up if i was to get it again i would deffinatly put it as a base layer and something like flourite or sand or gravel over it.

i could of sworn i read on the package its a base layer......

it also helps me keep my ph low which is great!

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I had mine in my 20G for over a year and had no problems with it stirring up easily. It does stir up, yes, but it always settled easily and never created a huge mess. I think it is fine on its own if you choose to use it, but like Fish Newb says, it does break down over time. I just don't know that covering it with another substrate will change that fact. It is meant to be used on its own, and it is just a product that is not going to last long-term. I think there's just no getting around that. I had to break down my 20G for space considerations, so I can't tell you at what point this substrate will start to significantly break down and begin to become muck, but I have read here from others that it definitely does.

It certainly wouldn't be my first choice for a substrate. It was okay for my purposes at the time, but I can't help but wonder what kind of mess my tank would eventually have become. When it came to setting up my next, and larger, tank, it was with Ecocomplete. I definitely prefer it to the Florabase. It looks nicer, imo, it's easy to plant in, and I believe it will last a very very long time. I'm now in the process of setting my 20G back up, and it is with Ecocomplete.

My next aquarium that's in the planning stages I'm thinking of trying the ADA Aquasoil Amazonia if I can get it without too much hassle. If I can't, though, then I'll be happy to go with Ecocomplete again.

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i have the same substraight you are talking about... just remember... its called "florabase" for a reason. it should be a base layer then add some sand or something over it.. because it breaks down slowly and it gets stirred up easily after that.

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Flora base is not to be used with something over it. Where did that info come from. The closest thing to flora base is ada aquasoil. However, it does not lower the pH as much as aquasoil. Aquasoil is the better substrate. If it is possible for you get get AS use that and not flora base.


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i have the same substraight you are talking about... just remember... its called "florabase" for a reason. it should be a base layer then add some sand or something over it.. because it breaks down slowly and it gets stirred up easily after that.

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WRONG! WRONG! PLEASE DELETE!

FB is a complete substrate and does not need to be used with anything else and it's certainly not a base layer.
Much like aquasoil it will acidify the water and is a good choice if you want to keep soft water plants (Tonias, Erios). It's supposed to break down over time but with little disturbance it may last awile.
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Aquasoil is the better substrate. If it is possible for you get get AS use that and not flora base.
Actually they both come out of the same factory in Japan.
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Out of my experience I don't recommend florabase. I have several friends that use florabase and all of their tanks are very murky/cloudy. Although it looks more natural that some other choices I've had much better luck with ecocomplete.
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I had flora base up until yesterday, never had a problem with murkiness, just never happy with the soil when it comes to rooting.
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I had flora base up until yesterday, never had a problem with murkiness, just never happy with the soil when it comes to rooting.
Same here. In fact, my 20G had absolutely incredible clarity. Crystal clear water.

That being said, though, I am happier to be using Ecocomplete now that I'm setting my 20G back up, and I have frequently read here that Florabase starts to really break down over time.

Like others have said, it IS a complete substrate and does not need to be covered by anything else. I'm sure you could do so, but to say you have to is not correct.

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Actually they both come out of the same factory in Japan.
Reference please.

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Reference please.
Yeah, I'm pretty curious about that myself.

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Out of my experience I don't recommend florabase. I have several friends that use florabase and all of their tanks are very murky/cloudy. Although it looks more natural that some other choices I've had much better luck with ecocomplete.
I would say that information above is completely erroneous. I have had Florabase in an aquarium for well over two years with no problems. No cloudiness. It's almost exactly the same as ADA Aquasoil, as was said - and I'm speaking from experience of using both. The information given above is simply rumour, heresay, or badly researched. It's total piffle. Florabase is a very good option to the once-standard Flourite or the now more common ADA media.
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Flora Base rock's but I would venture to say it is not for the novice.
One of the best substrate systems I have ever used, and I also use ADA soil.
The tank in my sig and profile is with Flora Base, I applied a little peat under it, and I would think it blasphemy to cover it with sand or anything else.

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Florabase under ecocomplete, It works. Been in service for 2.5 years and still have good growth. I do on occasion use seachem root tabs so I'll never know if the soil is the only thing providing nutrient to the roots. I have not had an issue with cloudiness but then again I dont rescape often. Just about to tear down and replant though, maybe this weekend. Well see if the cloudiness claims are true.

Reason for the mix was when getting back into planted tanks I didn't pick up enough to get 3". So instead of getting more I picked up a couple bags of ecco.

Over all it worked out but I will probably never mix a substrates again.

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Yeah, I'm pretty curious about that myself.
A local distributor.

But of course this not to say that the composition is identical; it's similar.
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